Supertramp Flagship LT pop-up slide-in pickup camper

Chadx

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I am astonished at the wealth of information and detail in this thread! This is great, a big thanks to everyone who has contributed.

I just toured the inside of the two campers I'm looking at, the Supertramp Flagship LT and the Overland Explorer Vehicles Back Country 6.85". I find myself scratching my head, wondering if I missed some critical detail? How is it that the Flagship LT is so much more spacious inside than the Back Country? Seriously, what did I miss? Does the Flagship have a much taller build-up than the Back Country, which allows for the spaciousness?

The BC is cramped, there is no good place to put the fridge except where you'd want someone to sit, there's no interior shower solution, and I don't believe there's even a graywater tank. How did Supertramp do so muc better with the Flagship?

Despite bagging on the Back Country, I still feel like the Back Country is more in my price range than the Flagship. I wish the Flagship offered a manual lifting system, to cut back on the price. When I asked the Supertramp rep why the base price of the Flagship was so much more than the base price of the Back Country, she said the automatic lift system, which is standard in the Supertramp and around $10,000 option in the Back Country, brings them much closer in base prices. I understand that, but honestly I couldn't care less about an automatic lift system, that would be the last option I would ever want to add to either of these models, so I would much rather get the Supertramp with a manual lift and save 10 grand!

Like others have said, part of it is the flared out back half of the camper. FWC does this as well. OEV does not. It may not seem like much, but a few extra inches on both sides adds up by tucking the cabinets and components off to the side. We enjoyed out CAMP-X, but the layout was quite a compromise and seating wasn't comfortable for the person on the smaller more vertical seat (rear of the camper). Had the built in fridge so using the sink was not convenient because it was tucked away and had to reach around the fridge. Our was a 2020 and back then, no storage options (though I don't really care for the under bed and underseat storage options for the CAMP-X/Backcountry. The CAMP-X/Backcountry does have a large undersink storage area and underfridge storage areas, but the "side dinette" style eats up a bunch of real estate compared to a bench seat like the ST has. Also, make sure you are comparing apples to apples as the ST comes nicely equipped where the base OEV is lacking a fair number of things that you have to pay for as options (like solar, a second powered vent, etc. I haven't compared lately, but that used to be the case.

First two campers had manual roofs. Wasn't a deal breaker if the next one didn't have actuators, but thought it would be nice, but the real reason is we pop the top on a whim, now, rather than avoiding it. And, a very attractive part of that was it allows front and rear soft top windows since there are no front and rear brackets (and no brackets means I'd stop smacking my head on them when I was in the camper with the top down because I didn't want to pop it up for a quick stop). In short, it's one of those options that you don't think is that big of a deal but one you have it, you realize how nice it is. All opinion, of course.
 

Chadx

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...Also, I’m not sure of the exact dimensions, but the cab over length on the STC looks longer. You can do a full queen without having to pull the bed out and limit seating space. I’m not sure on OEV, but if you wanted a queen on a FWC, you need to extend the bed, at least on my 2015 model...

OEV CAMP-X/Backcountry cabover is basically a queensize like the Flagship. We moved our queen mattress straight from our CAMP-X to the Flagship. There are some FWC models that have queen cabover, but also some with length of queen but the width is only full size. Like yours FWC, our FWC required the pull out for queen size sleeping area (and also pulled out to a king size so we could sleep north/south rather than east/west, but it proved to be too much of a pain so went back to sleeping on queen or full to avoid the hassle). After having both, our opinion is not having to pull out the cabover is extremely valuable, especially if you use an aftermarket mattress rather than the stock camper mattress that is sectioned up.
 

Chadx

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...I considered the Froli before, but the lady is a light sleeper and I heard the Froli makes some sound when tossing and turning. I’m a tosser and turner. Had the Hypervent in the FWC and it totally eliminated under bed condensation...

Have hear really good things about the hypervent. Froli reviews have been a mixed bag. Takes a lot of playing to get it just right if you are using it partly to adjust comfort of a mattress that is lacking. Seems like the priority should be first getting a mattress that is comfortable, then, if needed, finding a venting solution. And the hypervent seems the least finicky, best price point, and most reliable.
 

Chadx

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In my early talks with Supertramp. Question for those of you that have had yours a while. What are the things you wish you would have ordered that you maybe didn't as well as what did you order that you wish you hadn't? I see a few complaints on the noisy AC, but luckily I am a little hard of hearing and can deal with that rather than be hot. I am very hot natured so AC is a must.
I have watched all of the videos on Youtube as well as read every post here and the Tremor Forum about them. Just trying to make sure I make the best decisions prior to placing my order.
Thanks in advance.

After using ours all summer, we wouldn't change any of our options. We had a couple campers before this one so that experience helped shape our order form. Then I weighed each option carefully.

- We got the side window option. I was on the fence. Wife wanted it. We got it. She was right.
- L track on the inside ceiling and next to kitchenette, but no exterior because we don't hang anything off the side of our camper (no awnings or shower cubes) because we frequent narrow branch filled trails (added pinstripes the first trip and more all summer).
- 2,000watt inverter rather than 1,500.
- Upped the solar controller from 15amp to 20amp output.
- We kept the 30 amp DC/DC charger, but should have had the wiring upsized. The 8gauge wiring is inadequate for that charger. Should be 4 gauge with this length conductors (from truck battery, all the way to the rear of the pickup, then forward into the camper). The new victron 50amp DC/DC charger is smaller and more efficient. If I was to order today, I'd get that DC charger and adequate cable size for it (guessing 2 or 0 gauge for this length run).
- Lagun table option plus and extra base so we have a choice where to install table.
- Shower option.
- Battleship gray paint.
- Plus option for the Truma Combi.
- 120v passthrough (can pass shorepower 120v into camper or can plug into inverter and pass 120v inverter power to outside of the camper).

Regarding A/C, it will depend on the climate you camp in, how often and what duration you use it, and how and where you use it. We avoid hot climates so skipped the expense and weight of the A/C. There have been three nights I wished I would have had it. We have have a portable unit preordered (Zero Breeze Mark 3) but they ran behind and are delivering this fall rather than last spring. Thought process there is we only bring it with on hot trips plus we get to keep two overhead vents (A/C eliminate one). We ordered zero breeze eithout a battery and will run it off the 120v inverter.

We later added second battery (for a total of 200ah) and I did my own backup camera. Might add more batteries later but no need now. Once I get the portable A/C and do some more test charging fishing boat trolling motor batteries, eMTB battery, electric dirtbike battery, etc., I'll know if I need a larger battery bank.
 
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After using ours all summer, we wouldn't change any of our options. We had a couple campers before this one so that experience helped shape our order form. Then I weighed each option carefully.

- We got the side window option. I was on the fence. Wife wanted it. We got it. She was right.
- L track on the inside ceiling and next to kitchenette, but no exterior because we don't hang anything off the side of our camper (no awnings or shower cubes) because we frequent narrow branch filled trails (added pinstripes the first trip and more all summer).
- 2,000watt inverter rather than 1,500.
- Upped the solar controller from 15amp to 20amp.
- We kept the 30 amp DC/DC charger, but should have had the wiring upsized. The 8gauge wiring is inadequate for that charger. Should be 4 gauge with this length conductors (from truck battery, all the way to the rear of the pickup, then forward into the camper). The new victron 50amp DC/DC charger is smaller and more efficient. If I was to order today, I'd get that DC charger and adequate cable size for it (guessing 2 or 0 gauge for this length run).
- Lagun table option plus and extra base so we have a choice where to install table. Also got the shower option. Went with Battleship gray paint.
- 120v passthrough (can pass shorepower 120v into camper or can plug into inverter and pass 120v inverter power to outside of the camper).

Regarding A/C, it will depend on the climate you camp in, how often and what duration you use it, and how and where you use it. We avoid hot climates so skipped the expense and weight of the A/C. There have been three nights I wished I would have had it. We have have a portable unit preordered (Zero Breeze Mark 3) but they ran behind and are delivering this fall rather than last spring. Thought process there is we only bring it with on hot trips plus we get to keep two overhead vents (A/C eliminate one). We ordered zero breeze eithout a battery and will run it off the 120v inverter.

We later added second battery (for a total of 200ah) and I did my own backup camera. Might add more batteries later but no need now. Once I get the portable A/C and do some more test charging fishing boat trolling motor batteries, eMTB battery, electric dirtbike battery, etc., I'll know if I need a larger battery bank.
Thank you Chad, that is all great info and I will definitely use in my talks with Chris.

As for the AC, it will be mandatory. We live in central Texas and I am crazy hot natured. Almost year round we run both AC units in our home at 65 deg at night, 70 during the day. I am not a fan of the heat, just stuck living in the wrong part of the US.

Again, thank you for your info here as well as on the Tremor forum.
 

SimplyAnAdventure

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I’m actually out camping in mine right now. We’re in the North Maine Woods in the middle of 3.5 million acres of forest…. My wife and I have been talking a lot about our choices and how happy we are with everything so that said I wouldn’t change a single thing. That said my build is quite different than Chad’s but to us it’s absolutely perfect.

We have NO side window, my wife didn’t want it and I completely agree. The whole top is all windows in every direction. When the top is down we want security and structural integrity. Side window offered us nothing. That said if you have a pet I bet a side window would be required. Not for us though.

We also have no Eco plus combo unit. To be honest I never understood this option. This camper is for boondocking. We don’t camp anywhere with 20A shore power so…. Why have an offgrid camper with electric heat? If you frequent campgrounds I guess, but if that’s the case this is a pretty pricey camper to park at a campground.

What we do have is a fully White camper with Grey Scale decals, love it, white is the coolest color temperature wise so this was an easy one.

We have 400aH of LiFePo batteries. This is a must as we use a lot of power working from the road and…..

We also have Air conditioning, which relates to the battery. Don’t need it all the time but when you do, I couldn’t live without it.

We have a 1500W inverter…. This was more than big enough for us, I guess 2000W is better because it’s more…. But I have no idea what I’d use it for. Even 1500W is enough to power most hot plates, which we don’t use anyway.

Inside shower. This was a must. We do camp in places where you can’t put grey water on the ground so if you want a shower this is it.

Lagun table with extra mount. Love this. We use the “extra” mount location about 99.99% of the time. Including right now.

Kitchen L-track. Must we have a radius outfitters trash can hanging in this and LOVE it. Perfect spot for trash and very out of the way.

Starlink! Must. My wife works remote and right now I’m 50 miles from cell service. Nice option for us for sure.

Rear view camera. Must, my truck has 360 cameras so you either buy the one from ST it make you’re own, but you have to have it.

L-Track in ceiling and on both sides. Options. Simple as that. We use the inside one for tons of stuff outside ones are still empty but will have a private cube at some point. Just wanted to be able to choose.

The camper 100% needs MORE SOLAR AND MORE DC/DC charging…. We have 400aH and the tiny amount offered is silly and insulting. I will be upgrading this by a lot.

Out camper was $85k with tax and it’s perfect. Besides charging it’s the best camper made. Love it.
 
I’m actually out camping in mine right now. We’re in the North Maine Woods in the middle of 3.5 million acres of forest…. My wife and I have been talking a lot about our choices and how happy we are with everything so that said I wouldn’t change a single thing. That said my build is quite different than Chad’s but to us it’s absolutely perfect.

We have NO side window, my wife didn’t want it and I completely agree. The whole top is all windows in every direction. When the top is down we want security and structural integrity. Side window offered us nothing. That said if you have a pet I bet a side window would be required. Not for us though.

We also have no Eco plus combo unit. To be honest I never understood this option. This camper is for boondocking. We don’t camp anywhere with 20A shore power so…. Why have an offgrid camper with electric heat? If you frequent campgrounds I guess, but if that’s the case this is a pretty pricey camper to park at a campground.

What we do have is a fully White camper with Grey Scale decals, love it, white is the coolest color temperature wise so this was an easy one.

We have 400aH of LiFePo batteries. This is a must as we use a lot of power working from the road and…..

We also have Air conditioning, which relates to the battery. Don’t need it all the time but when you do, I couldn’t live without it.

We have a 1500W inverter…. This was more than big enough for us, I guess 2000W is better because it’s more…. But I have no idea what I’d use it for. Even 1500W is enough to power most hot plates, which we don’t use anyway.

Inside shower. This was a must. We do camp in places where you can’t put grey water on the ground so if you want a shower this is it.

Lagun table with extra mount. Love this. We use the “extra” mount location about 99.99% of the time. Including right now.

Kitchen L-track. Must we have a radius outfitters trash can hanging in this and LOVE it. Perfect spot for trash and very out of the way.

Starlink! Must. My wife works remote and right now I’m 50 miles from cell service. Nice option for us for sure.

Rear view camera. Must, my truck has 360 cameras so you either buy the one from ST it make you’re own, but you have to have it.

L-Track in ceiling and on both sides. Options. Simple as that. We use the inside one for tons of stuff outside ones are still empty but will have a private cube at some point. Just wanted to be able to choose.

The camper 100% needs MORE SOLAR AND MORE DC/DC charging…. We have 400aH and the tiny amount offered is silly and insulting. I will be upgrading this by a lot.

Out camper was $85k with tax and it’s perfect. Besides charging it’s the best camper made. Love it.
Again, all phenomenal info. Really appreciate you sharing as well. I have lots to dig into and will try to make a decision in next 30 days. Already have a 250 Tremor so that part is handled.
Thanks again to all.
 

Chadx

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@AlwaysRoaming We are back from a four day camping trip and thought I'd elaborate on the reasoning for some of our choices since I was in a bit of a rush when I listed the options we chose (we were packing to head out early the next morning). @SimplyAnAdventure gave some good insight into their choices and I'll expand a bit on reasoning for our choices. Once some more owners pipe up, then you can hopefully pick through the info and figure out what resonates for you and your use case. Bottom line is it's great to have choices and happy that Supertramp keeps some things as options rather than standard so one can tailor the camper a bit.

My original thought process on no side window included the same reasons @SimplyAnAdventure mentions; security and structural integrity, but the primary reason was it limits where and how occupants sit. If someone sits on the bench in front of the window, they can't lean back if there is a window there. As it turns out, we also found that in front of that window is our preferred place for the Lagun table, so no one sits there in our case, but we didn't know that when we ordered and that was a big hesitancy for me. In use, we've discovered that I typically sit on the bench seat over the shower/toilet pan and Mrs. Chadx sits on the front bench. Another reason I was on the fence was where we drive. All our slide-in campers get pinstriped by branches constantly and acrylic side windows suffer the same fate. We use a 3 stage acrylic buff/polish to remove most of the scratches from the window at the end of each season, but the following year, it just gets all scratched up again. If you drive where you get a lot of branch scratches and scratches on the window would bother you (and/or you don't want to buff them out), then you might skip the side window.

My other thought was better insulation, but realistically, that small surface area may not make a huge difference, the breathable soft top already has a limited amount of insulation, and we don't use our camper during the winter like some do. We sometimes camp down into the teens for temp, but haven't yet with the Supertramp because we picked it up in March 2024. I'd expect it to perform about the same as our previous two campers and the heater easily keeping things comfortable. But, if winter camping was a primary use case and one wanted to stretch propane tanks as long a possible (be that camping with the top down or at least keeping the top down while heating during the day when you were away from the camper), that would be a good reason to forego the side window.

I paid more attention to views out the camper while we were camping these last few days and we both like having the view out the side. Yes, while seated, you are kind of looking downward rather than straight out, but often, that is a stream that we park next to or down and out on a mountain valley. Or, one can duck your head just a bit and easily see the horizon. The soft top windows, while open, let in a lot of light and great views of the tree tops or mountains while seated and of the horizon while standing or while in the cabover. When we pull into a spot, we orient the camper so we have the best view out the side window.

Regarding the Plus version of the Truma Combi, adding electric as a power source certainly has it's limits. I park the truck and camper in the shop during the summer and the camper lives in the shop in the winter when off the truck, so for those occasions where I may want to heat the inside of the camper, or simply keep the stored camper from being extremely cold on those -40F weeks, I prefer to have the option to use electric rather than propane since propane combustion would vent exhaust gasses inside the shop. I supposed a part of our decision to add from the start was it was something not easily retrofitted and we didn't know if we'd ever want or need it so ordered it from the start.

The primary reason we chose the Battleship Gray paint was because we liked the way it looks, particularly with our pickup color. Certainly the surface/exterior temp of the camper may be a bit warmer on a sunny day. I'd asked Supertramp about the effect on interior temps before deciding and they shared that on the inside of the composite panel, the temp difference between the white and other colors was surprisingly small. That combined with all units have the same color soft top material and that is also much less insulated than the panels. Plus, a large part of the roof is covered with the panels/vents and A/C unit (if so equipped). Keep in mind our evaluation, on color choice and other options, is based on our living in MT and avoiding trips to extreme heat. You live in TX where every little bit makes a difference. For anyone ordering an A/C, like you, your likely already only considering white. Luckily, all the color options look great and they have a growing choice for decal colors, though some choose to forego decals all together.

I'd mentioned we had upgraded from the 1,500 watt inverter to the 2,000 watt inverter. We have an electric teapot that we use to boil water. It's only 1,400 watts but we also have a portable induction cooktop and that is 1,800watts. We are experimenting with our portable induction cooktop to decide if we want to do a built-in induction cooktop (doing an "energy audit" to fully understand how much power is needed to support induction). We also have the 120v passthrough so we can make the inverter 120v AC power available outside. That means that, with an extension cord, we can use the induction cooktop on a table outside and cook outside if we want. And with that 120v passthrough, I can also power other loads outside and didn't want to be limited to 1,500watts or less. From the camper, I currently power battery chargers for charging fishing boat trolling motor batteries, electric dirtbikes, etc. and wanted to be able to power anything one would plug into a typical home 120v 15amp circuit without being limited by the camper inverter capacity (with the understanding the duration of use will be limited by battery bank capacity).

The shower option gets you the shower curtain, four ceiling curtain L track hooks, drain in bottom of the basin that drains into a second/independent 5 gallon gray water tank than the sink's standard 5 gallon graywater tank for a total of 10gallon of gray water storage. They both drain independently of one another. The shower options also gets you the shower head and loooong hose and the water flow/temp mixer inside the kitchen cabinet. While it takes up a little bit of space, there are more uses that make is worth it in my opinion. That shower hose is also a handy item for washing things off outside. It is long enough to string it out the back door when open or through a soft-top window for taking an outside shower or washing off feet, boots, or whatever. The shower pan is also useful for washing off things inside or hanging wet things above and letting drip down into the shower pan (with toilet removed). Think fishing gear/boots/waders, watersports gear, etc.

As @SimplyAnAdventure, others, and I have mentioned, the larger battery bank options (300 - 400ah) take a lot of current to replenish so you'll want to plan for that in your original build. The 330watts of solar are a good start, but the standard solar controller can only make use of 15amps (219watts). Supertramp will upgrade you to the 20amp solar controller which will utilize a max of 292 watts of solar (or perhaps they've made that the standard controller nowadays). Some have had an exterior solar outlet be wired into their solar input circuit. That allows one to bring portable solar panels which can be placed in the sun while parking the camper in the shade. Or, can be pointed directly at the sun, when it's lower in the sky, for higher solar yield. Similarly on hazy or cloudy days; when sunlight is impeded, more panels can be deployed to yield more solar input that could have been collected otherwise. Taking that a step further, you could have a second solar controller all together, dedicated to portable array. That way, even when the primary panels are maxing out the main solar controller, you could be energizing a second solar controller from portable panels. That would give you double the solar input and a redundant system as well.

As mentioned in my first post, the DC/DC charging needs to be addressed for anyone with a larger battery bank. At a minimum, the conductors should be upgraded to larger sizes, but ideally, you'd upgrade the DC/DC charger as well to at least the new Victron 50amp charger. If your pickup has 120v available, of enough capacity, you could also consider charging with the 120v charger as you drove, but the external side plug location is certainly not ideal for that and they are only 17amp chargers anyway. And DC to AC to DC conversion is more lossy than straight DC/DC charging, so if you pickup has the alternator capacity, better to address it with DC charging, be that one 50amp DC charger or multiple.
 

Chadx

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@AlwaysRoaming
Thought a second post dedicated to power consumption and power generation was warranted.

You'll want to do some type of power audit to determine how much you might use. Starlink is quite a load but A/C is the biggest. Since you have already determined you are getting A/C and, based on your description, you'll use a lot of power, I submit that you are going to need a lot of optional upgrades to keep up with your power needs and/or replenish your battery bank.

To get you started in the power audit, I'm copying some Dometic RTX2000 A/C details from one of my previous posts.
"Per the Dometic website, the RTX2000 has cooling capacity of 6,824 BTU and should be run on battery banks of 180ah or larger. Current consumption: 10 - 58amps. Eco mode: 19amps. Rated power is 650watt. Fuse required is 80amp. The unit itself (not counting other install components, wiring, or larger battery bank) weighs 72.6 lbs (33 kg)."

In Dometic's listed current range of 10amp - 50 amp, the 10amp is likely the "fan only" mode since they state Eco draws about 19amps. For easy math, figure 20 amps for "Low cooling" and 50amps for "High cooling". Using an even 12.0v as the multiplier, in watts that is around 240watts - 600watts.
For a 400ah battery bank, mathematically you could run the A/C on low cooling (20amps) for 20 hours and on high cooling (50amps) for 8 hours, but that does not consider any other camper draws on the battery bank nor conversion inefficiencies. Also, you don't want to run your batteries to zero. Just giving you an idea of how much an A/C consumes if it never shuts off (which it would if the camper interior ever reaches the set point).

Comparing watts consumed to watt produced by solar array, on low cooling (240watts), that will consume about 100% of the solar input from the stock solar array. You'd need 600+ watts of solar input to offset high cooling (600watts) not counting solar controller inefficiencies.

For DC charging, stock DC/DC charger is 30amps and the optional Victron is 50amps so if you get 30 - 50amps DC while engine is running. Easy to calculate and compare how much the A/C will consume or how long it will take to replenish 400amp battery bank. (50amp DC charger would take 8 hours of engine running to replenish from zero to 100% SOC).

Consider/estimate how long you'd run your A/C with no input from pickup or from solar (at night while parked). Then calculate how long it would take to replenish that much power the next day and from where you would get that power (solar or DC charging) and you'll start to see how you can quickly run into a power deficiency that needs to understood and solved for from the start so you're happy with the results.
 

SimplyAnAdventure

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We were camped in very very northern Maine in a very wooded campsite so solar was not great.

This is my 400aH battery bank running out inverter from about 8pm until 8am to run the Starlink (and because the camper has USB, not USB-C outlets we had a laptop plugged in and my phone charging). Inverter was off during the whole day since we were out on the water and hiking.

As you can see after 5 days we were in the high 30% battery we lost about 250aH of battery including all the gains we made during the days solar.

To combat this, and because I wasn’t sure what was going to happen I brought my Honda EU2200i that I have converted to run on propane that I could have plugged the whole camper into but ultimately didn’t need too. It should be noted we never once started the truck this week and if we moved from spot to spot that certainly would have helped.

The big WATT draws you can see on the chart when we run the electric kettle in the morning for coffee. Like Chadx says it’s amazing to be able to do that in a camper! We have a kitchenaid model that’s 1200W.

All and all the camper is amazing but just needs more solar, GoPower makes an expansion pack of very narrow panels I think would fit and charging…. I’m thinking 2 of the new 50A Victrons and a much shorter cable run into the front of the camper would be a much better design…. But I’ll figure that out at some point.

Anyway. Food for thought.

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You can see from this chart we took about a 5 hour drive south which got us from ~40% to ~72% and we are camped here for tonight and last night. Tomorrow will be an 8 hour drive home and we should be back up to 100% maybe 5 hours into the drive.
 
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SimplyAnAdventure

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@Chadx the cold weather storage solution for the Ecoplus hadn’t crossed my mind. That actually make a LOT of sense for people in northern climates. I’m spoiled with a huge garage with radiant in floor heating so my camper never sees cold (I park it before salt hits the roads in NY) but I can 1000% see what someone would keep their camper plugged in and heated during really cold weather. Smart.

I actually love the colors ST makes the campers in and my wife calls this my “old man camper” since the truck and camper are both all white. From a practical standpoint white makes the most sense for a camper but my wife would definitely agree with you it’s not her favorite color lol. I turned 45 last Thursday so I guess I’m an old man and I like my old man camper!

I’d be interested in your reasoning for an induction cooktop? Tbh I can’t stand cooking on any electric stove. We use a double partner steel stove to cook outside most all the time and besides maybe the occasional breakfast don’t use the inside stove much at all. I do like your 120V pass through idea for an outdoor induction but again, I’d always rather cook on gas given the option. Perhaps just personal preference?
 

SimplyAnAdventure

Well-known member
@AlwaysRoaming
Thought a second post dedicated to power consumption and power generation was warranted.

You'll want to do some type of power audit to determine how much you might use. Starlink is quite a load but A/C is the biggest. Since you have already determined you are getting A/C and, based on your description, you'll use a lot of power, I submit that you are going to need a lot of optional upgrades to keep up with your power needs and/or replenish your battery bank.

To get you started in the power audit, I'm copying some Dometic RTX2000 A/C details from one of my previous posts.
"Per the Dometic website, the RTX2000 has cooling capacity of 6,824 BTU and should be run on battery banks of 180ah or larger. Current consumption: 10 - 58amps. Eco mode: 19amps. Rated power is 650watt. Fuse required is 80amp. The unit itself (not counting other install components, wiring, or larger battery bank) weighs 72.6 lbs (33 kg)."

In Dometic's listed current range of 10amp - 50 amp, the 10amp is likely the "fan only" mode since they state Eco draws about 19amps. For easy math, figure 20 amps for "Low cooling" and 50amps for "High cooling". Using an even 12.0v as the multiplier, in watts that is around 240watts - 600watts.
For a 400ah battery bank, mathematically you could run the A/C on low cooling (20amps) for 20 hours and on high cooling (50amps) for 8 hours, but that does not consider any other camper draws on the battery bank nor conversion inefficiencies. Also, you don't want to run your batteries to zero. Just giving you an idea of how much an A/C consumes if it never shuts off (which it would if the camper interior ever reaches the set point).

Comparing watts consumed to watt produced by solar array, on low cooling (240watts), that will consume about 100% of the solar input from the stock solar array. You'd need 600+ watts of solar input to offset high cooling (600watts) not counting solar controller inefficiencies.

For DC charging, stock DC/DC charger is 30amps and the optional Victron is 50amps so if you get 30 - 50amps DC while engine is running. Easy to calculate and compare how much the A/C will consume or how long it will take to replenish 400amp battery bank. (50amp DC charger would take 8 hours of engine running to replenish from zero to 100% SOC).

Consider/estimate how long you'd run your A/C with no input from pickup or from solar (at night while parked). Then calculate how long it would take to replenish that much power the next day and from where you would get that power (solar or DC charging) and you'll start to see how you can quickly run into a power deficiency that needs to understood and solved for from the start so you're happy with the results.
Great advice and numbers on the Air Conditioner power consumption. I do think you have to be “realistic” with how you’re going to use it. Speaking with Kelsey it was never intended to be run non stop in Texas heat while you’re inside working…. The camper simply doesn’t have the insulation to make that work.

We used ours this spring in S. Texas, Big Bend where we saw 112F in April…. I also boondocked in long term parking in Phoenix Airport before a quick flight home to see the Eclipse. It works awesome for cooling down the camper to sleep at night and with the sun not beating on the camper it’s much easier to keep things cool.

If A/C was needed for extended periods without moving your vehicle a generator like we carry would be a simple and relatively cost effective solution to keep things topped off. As mentioned I converted it to propane to keep things simple. No extra fuel type to carry and no spilled gas in the back seat.
 
@Chadx and @SimplyAnAdventure thank you both a ton for the thoughtful and well presented posts. Really a lot to think about and I think if I go the Supertramp route, I will use all that you have shared.

I am not one to hangout indoors much during the day on my hunts and travels unless the weather is bad. Other than that, the AC would primarily be used to cool the camper before sleep and during if needed.

I will say I think a flatbed/tray is the most logical solution in terms of adding additional storage and the ability carry that extra generator and it be out of the way. I don't mind the expense of the flatbed if I am getting good use out of it.

Again, thank you both.
 

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...I’d be interested in your reasoning for an induction cooktop? Tbh I can’t stand cooking on any electric stove. We use a double partner steel stove to cook outside most all the time and besides maybe the occasional breakfast don’t use the inside stove much at all. I do like your 120V pass through idea for an outdoor induction but again, I’d always rather cook on gas given the option. Perhaps just personal preference?

I used to be a big fan of natural gas stoves in previous homes, but current house has flattop electric stove and I've grown to like it these last dozen years. Pros and cons to both. But, induction is an entirely different animal. It cooks more like gas than electric. Quick cooking temperature changes and fine adjustments, much easier to clean up than gas since it's flat surface (and that also look tidier to the eye), and burner surface cools faster than electric since the pan is generating the heat (not the burner). But in the end, it's really just an experiment in data collection. Haven't used it enough to make final verdict, but trending towards liking it a lot to the point we may replace our electric flat-top home stove with an induction unit. As for my interest with it in the camper, part of me just likes to tinker and mess with different things and I haven't been able to do that in the Flagship much because everything is pretty much exactly how we wanted it from the factory (with our option choices). Good problem to have, I suppose, but "an idle mind...". And, part of me just gets a kick out of cooking with solar energy made at the point of use rather than buying propane (sorry propane "farmers". Ha. But I'll still use propane for heat and hot water).

For now, the portable induction will be our test mule. I still haven't been able to find, for sale, one of the "1 burner induction, 1 burner propane" camper cooktops that were popular four or five years ago but then faded away after a couple years. Guess hybrid cooktops weren't popular enough and typical users chose one fuel source or the other; not both.

I will say that anyone already having battery bank capacity challenges likely will not have good results if they add induction cooking demands. It takes a fair bit of juice. Still collecting data so haven't landed on any average consumption for our burner, but I do have consistent data from the electric teapot we use to boil water. I double checked and it is 1200watts. It will boil up to 1 liter (33.8oz) of water at a time. That is good enough for our two 16oz hydroflasks of tea (fill about 3/4 with hot water, then add room temp water to cool or milk, etc.) and also two instant oatmeals from the same pot (for those "up early to beat the crowds to the [blank]" first breakfasts). Watching the Victron app, a sample boil pulled about 93amps. It takes 5.6 minutes to boil. 93amps divided by 60 is 1.55ah per minute times 5.6minutes equals 8.68ah per 1 liter boil. That will vary slightly with starting temp of water and elevation (since it boils at lower temp and so shuts off sooner at higher elevation), but seems to average between 8.5 and 9ah per 1 liter boil.
 

ejl04

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Once you try induction, it’s hard to go back. Way different than traditional electric. Super fast to heat up and also quick to change temps. Super easy to clean. Stove at home is induction and it would be great if camper was too. Not sure if it’s worth the time and money to make that change though. I do love the idea of having a stove that is placed on the counter for travel and most of the cooking, but can easily be brought outside. That way, you don’t need an extra stove for cooking outside.
 

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