Supertramp Flagship LT pop-up slide-in pickup camper

Chadx

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A couple of questions if anyone can help.

1. How difficult is it to remove the camper and reinstall it on your own. Is it possible to use a rolling storage rack of some kind and put the camper inside your garage with a 7' door entry? How much time would it take and are there any special connection issues to consider if you try this?

2. Since it takes 6 months to get a Bowen custom flatbed for a truck, would there be any problems just installing the LT camper on a regular 6.5' bed to start with and then moving it to a Bowen bed later on?

I think the wait time for the LT camper is quite a bit less than for the Bowen flatbed. And, I might find that I didn't even need the flatbed after using it for a while and could save $25,000 or whatever the flatbed costs.

Thanks for any info,
Steve

Hi @Steve_382 ,
Fairly straight forward and easy process to load and unload, but it just takes time. How much time will vary based on several things; How efficient you are at backing under the camper including making fine adjustments to get alignment and angle correct, if you use hand crank or electric drill adapter to crank the jacks, if you have another person to help (so you can both crank on opposite sides at the same time rather than you going around one jack at a time), how tall your truck is, the height you lower the camper down to after you pull out from underneath (onto a dolly or just for lower center of gravity), etc. Installing and removing the jacks takes some time, too.

The average person will probably have a bit over an hour into loading the camper (including jack installs) and a bit less than an hour removing the camper (including jack removals). Those times will likely be longer the first few times you do it, but as you practice some of the more time consuming parts will get faster (backing under) and you'll learn little tricks, like having the jack extended to the ground when you bolt it to, or unbolt it from, the camper so the jack supports itself rather than you holding it up as you start the first bolts and remove the last bolts).

Many owners do build a dolly to store their camper in a garage with a low garage door height. If you have a true 7' (if it's a 7' garage door, you may have an inch or two less than that depending on the design of your garage door), that is 84". The height of the camper from the footprint to the top of the air vents is 70" (A/C is taller). The jacks will lower the base down to about 10" - 11", but 12" is a save height to use and a good height for your dolly. So between the 12" dolly and 70" camper height, you'll be at 82" which should fit in your 84" garage door, but measure your garage door with it open to determine your true clearance. No need for using any foam/matt between the dolly and camper. That only increases height and since the dolly/camper will sit static (except for rolling it into the garage low speed), no need for a grippy/dampening mat.

I use a 5'x8' trailer to reposition our camper for storage in the off-season and then jack it up a bit, remove the trailer, the lower it to about 12" with a bit platform underneath (not a dolly on casters), but since you have garage door height restrictions, you'll probably not find a trailer with a low enough deck height to fit it through the garage door. Just use very large dolly casters and, if you have a nice smooth concrete driveway, you'll be good. Most use fixed casters on one end and swivel caster wheels on the other because using swivel casters on all 4 corners is hard to maneuver. You can use 4 swivel casters if your space requires it, but then you'll find it's easier to move with at least 2 people since they have mind of their own when positioning.

Presumably you'll load and unload immediately outside your garage door. If your concrete apron/driveway, in front of the garage door, is flat and on the same plane as the garage floor, all the better. If the driveway/apron is angled uphill or downhill, it will be more challenging the steeper the angle (keeping the dolly from rolling, jacking up and lowering the camper on a angled driveway, etc.)

There are no special connections to consider when pulling the camper off the truck and putting on a dolly. Your dolly should have crossbeams and flat plywood surface for the camper footprint to rest on. The camper base is perfectly flat. The pins, that interface with the front mounting brackets in the pickup, are on the sides as are the water drain hoses and DC wires/connector. The dolly surface need only be approximately the same size as the footprint (57" x 82"). A dolly surface an inch or two larger or smaller than the camper footprint is inconsequential, but making it very close to the same size is more satisfying. Ha. And, just make sure that the width of the dolly, or trailer, fits between the jacks.

There is no issue having the camper brackets, truck wiring, and camper installed on the standard pickup bed now and moving it to the Bowen tray later. The only consequence is a bit more expense (or time if you are doing it yourself) associated with moving the brackets from your pickup bed to the tray and also moving the DC wire connector from the pickup bed to the tray. I might suggest that you let STC know you may move the camper to a Bowen tray later, with which they are very familiar, so they can potentially account for that when they install the DC wire. Consider having them NOT drill the DC connector hole in the bed of your pickup and rather zip tie that connector. If this will be temporary, and you sell/give away the pickup bed, no reason to have a hole drilled in the rear of the bed for the next owner. And STC should know about how much extra wire length, if any, they need to give you if the Bowen connector mount is in a different location than stock pickup bed. If you temp-mount that connector and later decide you are not going to get a tray and instead keep the pickup bed, you can always have the connector permanently mounted later.

Regarding the Bowen bed, if you decide to go that route, just make sure you are getting the version for a slide-in camper, rather than the true flatbed tray. A flatbed tray is at least 3" taller than standard pickup bed and so you may have a larger gap between the pickup cab roof and the bottom of the camper cabover. Not sure what pickup brand you are putting it on, and that is less of a problem with certain pickups. For example, Ford Superduty have such a tall cab that STC puts a 2" foam mat under the camper so it clears the Superduty cab. But Bowen knows all the specs for various pickup make/models. The slide-in version of their tray keeps the main part of the tray about the same as stock pickup bed and then the wheel wells stick up a bit into the side boxes. It's not a flatbed tray, but a specific tray build for slide-in campers.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Just ask if I didn't cover anything or some of the above triggers more questions.
 

Chadx

♫ Off road, again. Just can't wait to get...
We spent some time down in Baja in our Flagship LT where water was VERY important. During that time I kept a close eye on our water level and I noticed that the electronic water gauge seem to be nonliner and inaccurate. That got me thinking I should do a gallon by gallon withdrawl test to see how well the electronic gauge matched up to the actual water level in the 24 gal internal tank. Some of you might have noticed the same things, so I thought I would just throw the data out here if anyone else is interested.

The testing method was as follows:
The hot water tank was filled in the Truma and the main tank was filled untill water dripped out of the fill port. Water was withdrawn at exactly one gallon at a time and gauge readings were taken at that time. After each gallon was withdrawn, I rocked the camper back and forth and waited five minutes before withdrawing another gallon to make sure the gauge was settled. This whole process was done twice, and the answers were the same each time. At the very end, I drained the tank and additional water drained out that couldn't be pumped out through the sink.

The results are as follows:
I was only able to withdraw 21 of the 24 gallons out of the sink faucet in a "normal" use situation, on level ground. So there are only 21 gallons of usable water available from a full tank.

Guage indicated ----- "usable" water left in the tank
100% ---- 21 - 19 gal remaining
85% ---- 18 - 16 gal remaining
70% ---- 15 - 14 gal remaining
60% ---- 13 - 12 gal remaining
45% ---- 11 - 9 gal remaining
25% ---- 8 - 7 gal remaining
00% ---- 6 - 0 gal remaining

At 3 gal remaining the pump started to make a clearly different sound as the water ran low. So it's possible to easily determine when you have only 3 usable gallons left.

The kitchen faucet will pump 1 gallon of water in 39 seconds.

In the future, I will probably start taking the water level down to 0% before I refill. I would be interested if anyone else has a similar guage experience.

Love this data and your data collection method. I've not gone so far as to measure one gallon at a time, but just by seat-of-the-pants feel, your table would explain and align with that experience. I installed the camper for the season a few weeks ago and we just returned from a week long trip. Now I'd like to repeat your test and share my results. The limiting factor being time. But I'll try to get to it in the next few weeks before we leave for our next trip.
 

Steve_382

Well-known member
Hi @Steve_382 ,
Fairly straight forward and easy process to load and unload, but it just takes time. How much time will vary based on several things; How efficient you are at backing under the camper including making fine adjustments to get alignment and angle correct, if you use hand crank or electric drill adapter to crank the jacks, if you have another person to help (so you can both crank on opposite sides at the same time rather than you going around one jack at a time), how tall your truck is, the height you lower the camper down to after you pull out from underneath (onto a dolly or just for lower center of gravity), etc. Installing and removing the jacks takes some time, too.

The average person will probably have a bit over an hour into loading the camper (including jack installs) and a bit less than an hour removing the camper (including jack removals). Those times will likely be longer the first few times you do it, but as you practice some of the more time consuming parts will get faster (backing under) and you'll learn little tricks, like having the jack extended to the ground when you bolt it to, or unbolt it from, the camper so the jack supports itself rather than you holding it up as you start the first bolts and remove the last bolts).

Many owners do build a dolly to store their camper in a garage with a low garage door height. If you have a true 7' (if it's a 7' garage door, you may have an inch or two less than that depending on the design of your garage door), that is 84". The height of the camper from the footprint to the top of the air vents is 70" (A/C is taller). The jacks will lower the base down to about 10" - 11", but 12" is a save height to use and a good height for your dolly. So between the 12" dolly and 70" camper height, you'll be at 82" which should fit in your 84" garage door, but measure your garage door with it open to determine your true clearance. No need for using any foam/matt between the dolly and camper. That only increases height and since the dolly/camper will sit static (except for rolling it into the garage low speed), no need for a grippy/dampening mat.

I use a 5'x8' trailer to reposition our camper for storage in the off-season and then jack it up a bit, remove the trailer, the lower it to about 12" with a bit platform underneath (not a dolly on casters), but since you have garage door height restrictions, you'll probably not find a trailer with a low enough deck height to fit it through the garage door. Just use very large dolly casters and, if you have a nice smooth concrete driveway, you'll be good. Most use fixed casters on one end and swivel caster wheels on the other because using swivel casters on all 4 corners is hard to maneuver. You can use 4 swivel casters if your space requires it, but then you'll find it's easier to move with at least 2 people since they have mind of their own when positioning.

Presumably you'll load and unload immediately outside your garage door. If your concrete apron/driveway, in front of the garage door, is flat and on the same plane as the garage floor, all the better. If the driveway/apron is angled uphill or downhill, it will be more challenging the steeper the angle (keeping the dolly from rolling, jacking up and lowering the camper on a angled driveway, etc.)

There are no special connections to consider when pulling the camper off the truck and putting on a dolly. Your dolly should have crossbeams and flat plywood surface for the camper footprint to rest on. The camper base is perfectly flat. The pins, that interface with the front mounting brackets in the pickup, are on the sides as are the water drain hoses and DC wires/connector. The dolly surface need only be approximately the same size as the footprint (57" x 82"). A dolly surface an inch or two larger or smaller than the camper footprint is inconsequential, but making it very close to the same size is more satisfying. Ha. And, just make sure that the width of the dolly, or trailer, fits between the jacks.

There is no issue having the camper brackets, truck wiring, and camper installed on the standard pickup bed now and moving it to the Bowen tray later. The only consequence is a bit more expense (or time if you are doing it yourself) associated with moving the brackets from your pickup bed to the tray and also moving the DC wire connector from the pickup bed to the tray. I might suggest that you let STC know you may move the camper to a Bowen tray later, with which they are very familiar, so they can potentially account for that when they install the DC wire. Consider having them NOT drill the DC connector hole in the bed of your pickup and rather zip tie that connector. If this will be temporary, and you sell/give away the pickup bed, no reason to have a hole drilled in the rear of the bed for the next owner. And STC should know about how much extra wire length, if any, they need to give you if the Bowen connector mount is in a different location than stock pickup bed. If you temp-mount that connector and later decide you are not going to get a tray and instead keep the pickup bed, you can always have the connector permanently mounted later.

Regarding the Bowen bed, if you decide to go that route, just make sure you are getting the version for a slide-in camper, rather than the true flatbed tray. A flatbed tray is at least 3" taller than standard pickup bed and so you may have a larger gap between the pickup cab roof and the bottom of the camper cabover. Not sure what pickup brand you are putting it on, and that is less of a problem with certain pickups. For example, Ford Superduty have such a tall cab that STC puts a 2" foam mat under the camper so it clears the Superduty cab. But Bowen knows all the specs for various pickup make/models. The slide-in version of their tray keeps the main part of the tray about the same as stock pickup bed and then the wheel wells stick up a bit into the side boxes. It's not a flatbed tray, but a specific tray build for slide-in campers.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Just ask if I didn't cover anything or some of the above triggers more questions.
Thanks for the detailed response Chadx. Sounds like it would be much easier if you had a 10' garage door and didn't have to raise/lower the camper as much. One more question. Does anyone have experience with the Bowen slide in camper bed regarding how water tight the storage boxes are on the camper bed? I don't plan on fording rivers 3' deep, but it would be nice if things stayed dry in heavy rains at least. Thanks.
 

Bowen Customs

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Thanks for the detailed response Chadx. Sounds like it would be much easier if you had a 10' garage door and didn't have to raise/lower the camper as much. One more question. Does anyone have experience with the Bowen slide in camper bed regarding how water tight the storage boxes are on the camper bed? I don't plan on fording rivers 3' deep, but it would be nice if things stayed dry in heavy rains at least. Thanks.
Howdy! We struggled on the first few builds to nail the water tightness, but have it pretty dialed now. So much so that one customer actually turned his lower rear box into a gray water tank for his camper. Pretty Wild! The only thing we ever caution people about is that depending on your location, humidity, temps etc, it is possible to develop condensation inside the boxes. Expedition Overland is headed out on an epic adventure with a Topper Bed/Alucab, so you should have some real world video of water crossings soon! Hope that helps!
 

sooshi

New member
Newby here and I want to first thank everyone for the wealth of information on this thread. So many things to digest before joining the STC family.

I pick up my Flagship at the end of August and it will be living on a 2023 F250. There are a couple of options I’m unsure about and thought I’d get the input of current owners already putting the camper through its paces. I only opted to add one additional battery for a total of 200AH merely due to my use case and no A/C being spec’s. I‘ve seen a lot of chatter about the 30 DC-DC being underwhelming but this is usually mentioned by individuals who opted for the 400AH battery bank. Would the 50 DC-DC still be recommended for a smaller battery bank? The other option I’m on the fence about is the external solar port. Again, I’m unsure how necessary it is due to the smaller battery bank onboard?
 

MisterSmith

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Newby here and I want to first thank everyone for the wealth of information on this thread. So many things to digest before joining the STC family.

I pick up my Flagship at the end of August and it will be living on a 2023 F250. There are a couple of options I’m unsure about and thought I’d get the input of current owners already putting the camper through its paces. I only opted to add one additional battery for a total of 200AH merely due to my use case and no A/C being spec’s. I‘ve seen a lot of chatter about the 30 DC-DC being underwhelming but this is usually mentioned by individuals who opted for the 400AH battery bank. Would the 50 DC-DC still be recommended for a smaller battery bank? The other option I’m on the fence about is the external solar port. Again, I’m unsure how necessary it is due to the smaller battery bank onboard?

Get the external solar port. We tend to park in the shade, so there is no sunlight on the roof. The external port lets you use a portable panel to maximise charging.

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sooshi

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Get the external solar port. We tend to park in the shade, so there is no sunlight on the roof. The external port lets you use a portable panel to maximise charging.

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Thanks! That was my exact thought and the only reason I was on the fence is because I live in San Diego and spend lots of time in the desert where there’s unfortunately no cover
 

Chadx

♫ Off road, again. Just can't wait to get...
Newby here and I want to first thank everyone for the wealth of information on this thread. So many things to digest before joining the STC family.

I pick up my Flagship at the end of August and it will be living on a 2023 F250. There are a couple of options I’m unsure about and thought I’d get the input of current owners already putting the camper through its paces. I only opted to add one additional battery for a total of 200AH merely due to my use case and no A/C being spec’s. I‘ve seen a lot of chatter about the 30 DC-DC being underwhelming but this is usually mentioned by individuals who opted for the 400AH battery bank. Would the 50 DC-DC still be recommended for a smaller battery bank? The other option I’m on the fence about is the external solar port. Again, I’m unsure how necessary it is due to the smaller battery bank onboard?

Good call on the second battery. I personally think 200Ah should be standard battery size because even "light power users" will run into situations where 100Ah can require monitoring/planning (multiple rainy days with no driving, later adding power drawing appliances like electric tea kettle/coffee, portable induction, laptop charger, etc.)

I also think the Victron 50Amp DC/DC charger should be standard rather than the small 30amp. The 50amp is physically smaller, runs cooler, is more energy efficient (converts a higher percentage if input energy) and when you need DC charging, you typically need it in a big way (want fast charging, not a trickle). 50amp charger does require larger gauge conductors in the camper and the pickup. Victron specs 4 gauge. STC uses 8 gauge for the Victron 30 amp. That should really be 6 gauge for the loop run length in the truck and camper. Due to voltage drop, you won't often see the full 30amp output. It's worse on the '23 and newer superduty and any pickup that has the "smart" alternators that lower the alternator voltage once the starter batteries are charged up. My '24 drops to 14.0v or lower. Between that and the small 8gauge wire, I'm lucky to see 10 - 17 amps out of the 30 amp DC charger. When the pickup first starts and Alternator output is at 14.5v, that is the only time I'll temporarily see close to the full 30amps. With your '23, I recommend the 50amp and at least the 4gauge wire that STC pairs with it. 2 gauge would be even better. Skip the 30amp DC charger and go for the 50amp.
Look at it in two ways: If you had completely drained your 200Ah of battery and if you got full output from both DC chargers, the 50amp would still take 4 hours of driving to recharge. The 30 amp would take 6.7hours. Or, if drive-time limited, say you are low on battery capacity and will only be driving for 1 hour. Adding 50amps in that hour will likely give you 24 hours worth of energy where 30amps in that same hour would be lacking.

The external solar port option includes a second solar controller effectively doubling your potential solar input, but more importantly, gives you some options and redundancy. I agree with @MisterSmith that it is handy option particularly when parking camper in the shade and placing portable panels in sun. I'm going to retrofit a second solar controller and portable port, but it's a lot easier to have it done during the original build so I'd recommend. The mentioned scenario of parking in the shade and putting panels in the sun is one of several scenarios where it would be a handy option to have. It also increases total input having both rooftop and portable in full sun. It is also helpful to have during certain times of the year like later fall, winter, and early spring, when sun stays low in the sky. The flat rooftop panels collect significantly less solar compared to a portable panel that can be angled to directly face the sun. Same thing in morning/evening collecting times. If you don't need the portable panels, due to time of year or it being a short overnight trip, you can leave them at home, but the port is there if you need it.

We are relatively light energy users ourselves. I usually leave the DC charger breaker open so and we recharge our 200Ah of camper battery only with rooftop solar. But our energy use has changed as we keep adding things that draw (electric teapot and portable induction). Solar has kept up with those additions, but more significantly, we occasionally recharge fishing boat trolling motor batteries, electric dirtbike, eMTB, etc. or spend a few days in. When solar won't keep up, I'll then close the DC charger breaker to get some extra charging when driving. A true 50 amps would be a lot more of a help than the 15 or so amps I get out of the 30amp with current wiring and "smart" alternator.

The point being, your power needs may change in the future (or even on one specific trip) and this way, you are prepared and have options.
 

sooshi

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Good call on the second battery. I personally think 200Ah should be standard battery size because even "light power users" will run into situations where 100Ah can require monitoring/planning (multiple rainy days with no driving, later adding power drawing appliances like electric tea kettle/coffee, portable induction, laptop charger, etc.)

I also think the Victron 50Amp DC/DC charger should be standard rather than the small 30amp. The 50amp is physically smaller, runs cooler, is more energy efficient (converts a higher percentage if input energy) and when you need DC charging, you typically need it in a big way (want fast charging, not a trickle). 50amp charger does require larger gauge conductors in the camper and the pickup. Victron specs 4 gauge. STC uses 8 gauge for the Victron 30 amp. That should really be 6 gauge for the loop run length in the truck and camper. Due to voltage drop, you won't often see the full 30amp output. It's worse on the '23 and newer superduty and any pickup that has the "smart" alternators that lower the alternator voltage once the starter batteries are charged up. My '24 drops to 14.0v or lower. Between that and the small 8gauge wire, I'm lucky to see 10 - 17 amps out of the 30 amp DC charger. When the pickup first starts and Alternator output is at 14.5v, that is the only time I'll temporarily see close to the full 30amps. With your '23, I recommend the 50amp and at least the 4gauge wire that STC pairs with it. 2 gauge would be even better. Skip the 30amp DC charger and go for the 50amp.
Look at it in two ways: If you had completely drained your 200Ah of battery and if you got full output from both DC chargers, the 50amp would still take 4 hours of driving to recharge. The 30 amp would take 6.7hours. Or, if drive-time limited, say you are low on battery capacity and will only be driving for 1 hour. Adding 50amps in that hour will likely give you 24 hours worth of energy where 30amps in that same hour would be lacking.

The external solar port option includes a second solar controller effectively doubling your potential solar input, but more importantly, gives you some options and redundancy. I agree with @MisterSmith that it is handy option particularly when parking camper in the shade and placing portable panels in sun. I'm going to retrofit a second solar controller and portable port, but it's a lot easier to have it done during the original build so I'd recommend. The mentioned scenario of parking in the shade and putting panels in the sun is one of several scenarios where it would be a handy option to have. It also increases total input having both rooftop and portable in full sun. It is also helpful to have during certain times of the year like later fall, winter, and early spring, when sun stays low in the sky. The flat rooftop panels collect significantly less solar compared to a portable panel that can be angled to directly face the sun. Same thing in morning/evening collecting times. If you don't need the portable panels, due to time of year or it being a short overnight trip, you can leave them at home, but the port is there if you need it.

We are relatively light energy users ourselves. I usually leave the DC charger breaker open so and we recharge our 200Ah of camper battery only with rooftop solar. But our energy use has changed as we keep adding things that draw (electric teapot and portable induction). Solar has kept up with those additions, but more significantly, we occasionally recharge fishing boat trolling motor batteries, electric dirtbike, eMTB, etc. or spend a few days in. When solar won't keep up, I'll then close the DC charger breaker to get some extra charging when driving. A true 50 amps would be a lot more of a help than the 15 or so amps I get out of the 30amp with current wiring and "smart" alternator.

The point being, your power needs may change in the future (or even on one specific trip) and this way, you are prepared and have options.
Chadx-
Thanks for all the info! I was hoping you’d chime in with a super detailed response. Looks like I’ll be adding the solar port and the 50amp DC-DC. I apologize if this is a stupid question but the truck I picked up had the upgraded 410amp dual alternator so I‘m not sure if that changes anything
 

Chadx

♫ Off road, again. Just can't wait to get...
Chadx-
Thanks for all the info! I was hoping you’d chime in with a super detailed response. Looks like I’ll be adding the solar port and the 50amp DC-DC. I apologize if this is a stupid question but the truck I picked up had the upgraded 410amp dual alternator so I‘m not sure if that changes anything

The amp output of your alternator(s) doesn't change the voltage. The '23 and newer have the smart alternators that drop the voltage to reduce parasitic drag when the power isn't needed. Typically that means they'll give a good strong 14.5v or more only for a short period after starting the vehicle, to recharge the starter batteries, but then voltage tapers off to a level adequate or most 12v needs, but wimpy if one wants to send voltage over a long conductor run that will experience a fair bit of voltage drop. The way I prefer to measure alternator output is right from the alternator (positive probe of multimeter on the alternator positive terminal and negative probe on any ground such as the battery negative terminal). On my '24, I typically see only around 14.0v once it settles down. A buddy with a non-smart alternator on his 2022 Super Duty has a consistent 14.5v (it never drops). That .5 volt doesn't sound like much, but if you are starting out closer to 14.0v and running down a cable length that might lose 10% or more due to voltage drop, now you are getting down towards 13.5v.
Interestingly, the digital dash on my Super Duty shows a voltage inconsistent with my multimeter readings plus it's always rounded to the nearest half volt. Meaning 14.5v, 14.0, 13.5v. I don't get tenths ever. I rarely reference it as it functions more like a "dummy low voltage warning light" than an accurate reading of current system voltage, unfortunately.

No matter how many amps you have available, the "smart" alternators are still the concern with newer trucks since it doesn't matter how many amps you have available if the voltage very low. Combine a low voltage (14.0v or even lower) and the voltage drop of the extremely long conductor loop on our pickup/camper DC charger circuit (approaching 50 foot loop), and that makes it hard to get the full potential out of the DC chargers. With runs that long, upsizing the conductors a size or two over non-smart alternators is often needed to get the same voltage to the device.

As for amps, you'd have plenty even with the single, higher output 250amp alternator. With the dual alternators (250amp + 160amp) 410amps available, you could several 50amp DC chargers without breaking a sweat. Ha. By the way, Supertramp does offer a setup with two 50 amps DC chargers for the literal "power user".

Note that if you have the Pro Power Onboard option on your Super Duty, that option replaces the second 12v alternator with a 24v alternator dedicated to the pro power 24v-to-120v inverter. That leaves only the single 12v alternator (250amps) connected to the one or two 12v starter batteries and the pickup's 12v system. 250amps is still plenty of 12v power, though.

More interesting alternator info: When there is a second 12v alternator, typically the secondary alternator only start producing power once the load exceeds the capacity of the primary alternator, which won't be very often even when you run a winch, huge number of lights, huge stereo systems, air compressors, etc. because 250amps is a lot of overhead. Most twin air compressors, for example, only draw 40 to 60 amps.
 

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