Surprised no one is discussing the Cybertruck today.

Crash testing requirements have pretty much killed cab-over/cab-forward designs in the US. The Canoo is styled as such, but you sit pretty far back... still better than most trucks for sure.

Wish we had a light-quadcycle class like they do in Europe. I'd prefer a simpler, cheaper, and lighter rig than anything they will sell here.

Closer to the mark:

iu
Mini vans can do quite well in crash tests. Pickup hoods don’t have to be that long and grill height is killing people.
 

rruff

Explorer
Mini vans can do quite well in crash tests.
Our minivans are very different from what is sold in the rest of the world. The most recent version of the Hiace has moved the seating behind the front wheels (pictured below is the earlier model), but they still aren't selling them here.

iu
 

calicamper

Expedition Leader
Modern trucks are literally soft zone grills with a sizable space between the engine and radiator. Its literally part of the pedestrian crush zone.
 

rruff

Explorer
Modern trucks are literally soft zone grills with a sizable space between the engine and radiator. Its literally part of the pedestrian crush zone.
Til ya put yer deer, elk, and protester bash guard on the front! (y)

Seriously, I think the height does increase serious injuries because it's too tall to send people over the top, so the chest and head are impacted... and then they are run over.
 

rruff

Explorer
Wouldn’t it be easier to just not walk in front of cars?
If there is traffic, then you kinda need to walk in front of cars. Sometimes they don't stop where they are supposed to, or do not follow a predictable path... or end up on the shoulder or sidewalk...
 

JaSAn

Grumpy Old Man
Self preservation says you don't walk in front of something bigger than you that is moving, expecting it to do anything other than keep moving (Newton said something about that).
 

plainjaneFJC

Deplorable
Self preservation says you don't walk in front of something bigger than you that is moving, expecting it to do anything other than keep moving (Newton said something about that).
We are going to being driving around in round mattress balls with umpteen million sensors on them because “if it saves one life”… I digress- MERRY CHRISTMAS!
 

rruff

Explorer
Self preservation says you don't walk in front of something bigger than you that is moving, expecting it to do anything other than keep moving (Newton said something about that).
Maybe you guys never walk anywhere, or never drive where people are walking? When crossing at a crosswalk there is usually traffic approaching. They have a red light and you hope they stop... and the drivers behind them stop.

Except for a few places, they don't have sidewalks where I live... you walk in the street.

Also funny how you naturally assume the pedestrian is at fault.

Every day is a risk, seems silly to legislate grill heights in trucks.
As far as I know grill heights aren't being legislated, and neither are grill guards. You can Mad Max your truck all you like.

But isn't it any consideration in your mind that your vehicle is particularly dangerous to others? Or is it just "good for you" and "sucks for them"?
 

plainjaneFJC

Deplorable
Maybe you guys never walk anywhere, or never drive where people are walking? When crossing at a crosswalk there is usually traffic approaching. They have a red light and you hope they stop... and the drivers behind them stop.

Except for a few places, they don't have sidewalks where I live... you walk in the street.

Also funny how you naturally assume the pedestrian is at fault.


As far as I know grill heights aren't being legislated, and neither are grill guards. You can Mad Max your truck all you like.

But isn't it any consideration in your mind that your vehicle is particularly dangerous to others? Or is it just "good for you" and "sucks for them"?
It is absolutely zero consideration in my mind. Vehicles are inanimate objects controlled by their operators. It’s not good for me or them- it’s bad for us all the direction some want to take us.
 

rruff

Explorer
It is absolutely zero consideration in my mind. Vehicles are inanimate objects controlled by their operators. It’s not good for me or them- it’s bad for us all the direction some want to take us.
So you can't even think about it or consider other people... without making it some grand socio-political conspiracy and statement?

What "direction" was the road that led to that cul-de-sac?
 

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