Surprised no one is discussing the Cybertruck today.

[rruff]

And because a vehicle like my suburban uses "more resources" than your vehicle makes it the bad choice? Nope, that's simply your perspective and you keep trying to make your perspective the only viable option, but it isn't and never will be, it's my "ridiculous trend" that uses resources that I pay for, happily so, and it absolutely "enhances" my life, get over it.

BTW... the vehicle in my avatar is mine... it isn't a random photo. I doubt it's more efficient than your Suburban.

The ridiculous trend is using 6,000 lb vehicles to carry a payload of 1 human 90+% of the time, particularly in urban environments where most people live. Are gridlock and parking congestion life enhancing, or spending crazy $$$ to have so much pavement and parking and infrastructure in the first place? The cost gets spread over everyone, and it isn't just $$$. There is a much better way to accomplish the task of getting from A to B.

 

[NevadaLover]

BTW... the vehicle in my avatar is mine... it isn't a random photo. I doubt it's more efficient than your Suburban.

The ridiculous trend is using 6,000 lb vehicles to carry a payload of 1 human 90+% of the time, particularly in urban environments where most people live. Are gridlock and parking congestion life enhancing, or spending crazy $$$ to have so much pavement and parking and infrastructure in the first place? The cost gets spread over everyone, and it isn't just $$$. There is a much better way to accomplish the task of getting from A to B.

Once again, that's all your perspective!

I'll keep my vehicles and enjoy them, I'll fill them up when needed and never complain about the cost, and if it's just me in the vehicle then so be it.

And I'll do it all in the remote, sparsely populated area that I live in, because it's my choice.

 

[plainjaneFJC]

BTW... the vehicle in my avatar is mine... it isn't a random photo. I doubt it's more efficient than your Suburban.

The ridiculous trend is using 6,000 lb vehicles to carry a payload of 1 human 90+% of the time, particularly in urban environments where most people live. Are gridlock and parking congestion life enhancing, or spending crazy $$$ to have so much pavement and parking and infrastructure in the first place? The cost gets spread over everyone, and it isn't just $$$. There is a much better way to accomplish the task of getting from A to B.

The trend may be ridiculous but it shouldn’t be forced out. I don’t understand how people can advocate for change while their own behaviors are the opposite. It’s like we all need to jump off the bridge with hands locked because people don’t want to jump if no one else is going to .

 

[rruff]

And I'll do it all in the remote, sparsely populated area that I live in, because it's my choice.

I live in a sparely populated area too, and this rig is the only thing I have to drive. I think you might be ascribing something to me that isn't there...

 

[rruff]

The trend may be ridiculous but it shouldn’t be forced out.

Who said anything about force? I'm talking about repurposing existing infrastructure to favor sane modes of getting around in urban areas, and make it safe. You'd still be able to get there in what you have.

 

[NevadaLover]

I live in a sparely populated area too, and this rig is the only thing I have to drive. I think you might be ascribing something to me that isn't there...

BTW... the vehicle in my avatar is mine... it isn't a random photo. I doubt it's more efficient than your Suburban.

The ridiculous trend is using 6,000 lb vehicles to carry a payload of 1 human 90+% of the time, particularly in urban environments where most people live. Are gridlock and parking congestion life enhancing, or spending crazy $$$ to have so much pavement and parking and infrastructure in the first place? The cost gets spread over everyone, and it isn't just $$$. There is a much better way to accomplish the task of getting from A to B.

You made a ridiculous ASSertion about vehicles, single occupants and urban areas, then doubled down about gridlock and parking congestion, I simply pointed out that I don't live in an urban area.

You continue to make ridiculous posts about other peoples choices and how you don't agree with those choices, making statements like "there is a much better way to accomplish the task of getting from A to B"!

Much better for who? Who are you to decide which is the better choice for others? Why don't you practice what you preach and move to an urban setting and take mass transit, or carpool everywhere, or walk??
It's a lot easier to come to a forum about exploring, overlanding and offroading to complain about others and their choices than it is to set an example, pure hypocrisy.

 

[rruff]

You continue to make ridiculous posts about other peoples choices and how you don't agree with those choices, making statements like "there is a much better way to accomplish the task of getting from A to B"!

I'm not complaining about anybody's choices... not in the slightest! Rather the laws and regulations and government expenditures that have led to people making the choices they do.

 

[JaSAn]

. . . The ridiculous trend is using 6,000 lb vehicles to carry a payload of 1 human 90+% of the time, particularly in urban environments where most people live . . .

I don't live to work, I work to live. I need a '6000 lb vehicle' to accomplish those trips that help me thrive. BTW: when I was working commute miles accounted for ~20% of my miles. Others I know travel for less than 50% of their miles commuting to work.

I can't afford a dedicated 2nd vehicle. If forced that diminishes the enjoyment I get out of living; I would not be a happy worker. People buy vehicles ($$$) to accomplish as many of the tasks they deem necessary, not being the most efficient for 1 task they do repetitively.

 

[plainjaneFJC]

I'm not complaining about anybody's choices... not in the slightest! Rather the laws and regulations and government expenditures that have led to people making the choices they do.

So you think laws and regulations should force us to change?

 

[rruff]

So you think laws and regulations should force us to change?

Like I said, nobody is forced. And if you are living in a rural area you have to go long distances to get anywhere, so it's a different situation entirely. A small vehicle wouldn't make sense.

Next time you are in a city during rush hour and people are averaging 10 mph, look around and imagine how different that could be. The way things are there is little incentive to downsize, and many reasons not to.

 

[NevadaLover]

I'm not complaining about anybody's choices... not in the slightest! Rather the laws and regulations and government expenditures that have led to people making the choices they do.

It's the same thing, you just can't admit it, people make choices for every reason imaginable, and you don't like it so now it's the governments fault??

Have fun with that, your world view is way different than mine! Thank gawd.

 

[plainjaneFJC]

Like I said, nobody is forced. And if you are living in a rural area you have to go long distances to get anywhere, so it's a different situation entirely. A small vehicle wouldn't make sense.

Next time you are in a city during rush hour and people are averaging 10 mph, look around and imagine how different that could be. The way things are there is little incentive to downsize, and many reasons not to.

Every time I’m in the big I’m ready to go. I understand what you are saying in major urban areas.

 

[ThundahBeagle]

Self preservation says you don't walk in front of something bigger than you that is moving, expecting it to do anything other than keep moving (Newton said something about that).

I believe the old nautical term is "yield to tonnage"?

 

[ThundahBeagle]

If there is traffic, then you kinda need to walk in front of cars. Sometimes they don't stop where they are supposed to, or do not follow a predictable path... or end up on the shoulder or sidewalk...

Wait, WHAT?!
We have traffic lights and crosswalks in this country. The "need" to walk out in front of oncoming traffic doesn't really exist.

I will agree that walking along a road with no sidewalk is a more likely way to get hit, but that would more often be a sideswipe or sideview mirror to the back of the head. Those can be ugly, too.

Dont know if it's better to be hit by a wide flat object that disperses the effect, or a low pointy object that takes me out at the knees and sends me up and over.

 

[ThundahBeagle]

Maybe you guys never walk anywhere, or never drive where people are walking? When crossing at a crosswalk there is usually traffic approaching. They have a red light and you hope they stop... and the drivers behind them stop.

Except for a few places, they don't have sidewalks where I live... you walk in the street.

Also funny how you naturally assume the pedestrian is at fault.


As far as I know grill heights aren't being legislated, and neither are grill guards. You can Mad Max your truck all you like.

But isn't it any consideration in your mind that your vehicle is particularly dangerous to others? Or is it just "good for you" and "sucks for them"?

Honest question: how is the Tundra in your picture better than my GMC?

With all this weight we drive, it sort of is that much more important to drive carefully.


I knew a guy who drove his truck like an old lady after getting off the highway. There were some twisty roads with dips and hills. He was always super careful. Unfortunately some young kids walking, no sidewalks, just being kids, one did a cartwheel or something and ended up right in front of him

Killed her