David Harris
Expedition Leader
Damn, this Chapman guy must really be something . . .
A legend, or something . . .
:ylsmoke:
Taking diesel converted Rover out of the country
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Damn, this Chapman guy must really be something . . .
A legend, or something . . .
:ylsmoke:
David Harris
Expedition Leader
jrose609
Explorer
lol!
David Harris
Expedition Leader
All right guys, that's enough JD for one night . . .
Cheers, and . . . good night . . .
David Harris
Expedition Leader
I thought you only imported 25 year old vehicles. "We specialize in the importation of classic Land Rover 110 Defender estate vehicles for discerning collectors and enthusiasts. These vehicles are 83,84 or 85 (and soon 1986) model years in compliance with DOT and EPA requirements." As you very well know, that's not what I am talking about here . . . Unless you have experience with other vehicle conversions, i.e. Discos, RR's later Defenders, etc., then . . . Sounds like you are pretty good at quoting the letter of the law to me . . . In my opinion you are definitely among the most honest importers out there though, from your website.
David
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Maryland 110
Adventurer
I'm not sure ****** difference the year of the car makes when you are talking about returning vehicles or swapped engines since an engine swap is totally illegal in a 25yr old import entering the country for the first time. If your title says diesel when you leave thats all that will be looked for on return. I have already stated that they don't even ask for your export paperwork. EPA and DOT don't have enforcement officers @ border crossings or the nations ports. Enforcement of these agency's laws and regulations are left to Customs and Border Patrol. How many laws and regulations for how many different agency's do you really believe any one Customs Officer can remember and enforce ? I'll say it again. I have experience importing "returning"vehicles from Europe via ship. They inspect the truck for contraband and clear it for "re-entry". I get asked to bring all kinds of things in. Eurospec BMW M cars,Unimogs, wacky french and italian cars of all model years, 40 foot containers of parts etc. I do volume which in a busy port usually means that your name on paperwork is familiar and things are far more "fluid" than they are for a neophyte importer. I got the impression you were looking for the benefit of knowledge from an importer with years of experience and who specializes in Land Rovers. Clearly given your response that's not the case, excuse me for responding.
Posting a question on a public forum asking for information from persons with experience and then rebuting the "experienced responses" is counter productive. Saying I specialize in a niche market doesn't mean that I do that do that exclusively- Websters Dictionary will set you straight. I re-read my post above and don't see where I quoted any detail of any law-rather I told you what Customs does in actual practice-ie adressed your original question. You smugly showed me the disrespect to throw it back @ me. Best of luck to you sir with your endeavors.
BTW-I'm Doug.
Posting a question on a public forum asking for information from persons with experience and then rebuting the "experienced responses" is counter productive. Saying I specialize in a niche market doesn't mean that I do that do that exclusively- Websters Dictionary will set you straight. I re-read my post above and don't see where I quoted any detail of any law-rather I told you what Customs does in actual practice-ie adressed your original question. You smugly showed me the disrespect to throw it back @ me. Best of luck to you sir with your endeavors.
BTW-I'm Doug.
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David Harris
Expedition Leader
Thank you very much for your feedback. That's what I am looking for. My only intention in quoting your website was to point out that you care about conforming to EPA and DOT regs in your line of business, as stated, and this post is about taking a vehicle which doesn't conform to DOT and EPA regs out of the country and bringing it back in. No offense meant . . .
David
Maryland 110
Adventurer
Taken !
crusader
Adventurer
I thought this thread was some sort of hoax!
Anyhow, just to put an end to all this, the correct answer you seek is:
NO, IT CAN NOT BE DONE. I wouldn't even try--They will confiscate your vehicle, fine you $21000 and hold you and your family and close relatives in custody until you pony up the fine and put the original engine back in the truck RIGHT THERE AT THE CUSTOMS YARD while they watch (to make sure all the emissions control equipment is back on properly). Then they will have the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) officers fly in from D.C. to make sure everything is compliant. Only after their inspection is complete, will they call in the Department of Transportation (DOT) to make sure all items on the vehicle comply with all DOT laws that were in effect during the original year of manufacture. All this will be done on your dime, while you and your loved ones are held in custody. This whole process takes about 20-35 months from start to finish. Usually, they will not grant you and your family bail during this period unless you hire an Independent Commercial Importer (ICI) to put the vehicle right. The Work will have to be done right there in the Customs impound lot, so the ICI will have to have to come to whatever border crossing you're being held at to complete the work. This can, of course, be a bit pricey. Only after the ICI is on-site will they grant you bond (bail) to get out of jail. Usually this bond is somewhere in the range of $35,000-$40,000. Roll the dice if you dare...it's your call...
Now back to your regularly scheduled thread...
Anyhow, just to put an end to all this, the correct answer you seek is:
NO, IT CAN NOT BE DONE. I wouldn't even try--They will confiscate your vehicle, fine you $21000 and hold you and your family and close relatives in custody until you pony up the fine and put the original engine back in the truck RIGHT THERE AT THE CUSTOMS YARD while they watch (to make sure all the emissions control equipment is back on properly). Then they will have the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) officers fly in from D.C. to make sure everything is compliant. Only after their inspection is complete, will they call in the Department of Transportation (DOT) to make sure all items on the vehicle comply with all DOT laws that were in effect during the original year of manufacture. All this will be done on your dime, while you and your loved ones are held in custody. This whole process takes about 20-35 months from start to finish. Usually, they will not grant you and your family bail during this period unless you hire an Independent Commercial Importer (ICI) to put the vehicle right. The Work will have to be done right there in the Customs impound lot, so the ICI will have to have to come to whatever border crossing you're being held at to complete the work. This can, of course, be a bit pricey. Only after the ICI is on-site will they grant you bond (bail) to get out of jail. Usually this bond is somewhere in the range of $35,000-$40,000. Roll the dice if you dare...it's your call...
Now back to your regularly scheduled thread...
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Are you really this stupid...how many people WITH ACTUAL EXPERIENCE, and that HANDLE IMPORTING AND EXPORTING of vehicle have to tell how it works...
R_Lefebvre
Expedition Leader
And this is why it's so hard to get solid info about diesel Land Rovers on the web.
It reminds me of trying to get info on street plating a dirt bike. Theoretically it's illegal and impossible, but lots of guys did it. Once I learned the secret handshake and got the info (verbally), I did it too.
It reminds me of trying to get info on street plating a dirt bike. Theoretically it's illegal and impossible, but lots of guys did it. Once I learned the secret handshake and got the info (verbally), I did it too.