The 2011 Jeep LACK OF DIESEL thread....

[Dan Grec]

Interesting info here: http://www.allpar.com/model/upcoming.html about upcoming stuff... :

“vwtodd” confirmed that the 2012 will include the Pentastar V6, and another source pegged horsepower at 260; it seems likely that high-end horsepower will be sacrificed for greater low-end torque. The transmission is still up for grabs, but oh2o has the WA580 going in... though some observers say it's too long for the standard two-door Wrangler.

A diesel is being looked at, but needs to pass emissions at reasonable cost. An updated transfer case may appear, possibly bringing back a full-time setting for broader market appeal. Sheet metal changes will improve aerodynamics (strong chance of major windshield and front end redesign). There is a chance of some sort of "stripped" model as production line can now apply bedliner to tubs during assembly. Better quality is also expected.

VM Motori, now 50% owned by Fiat Powertrain, dominates Chrysler/Jeep in Europe. A Fiat diesel is reportedly being tested by Siemens for US certification in the 2012 Wrangler.

I'm finding all sorts of good stuff tonight...
A picture of the Fiat/Chrysler alliance plan on this page: http://www.allpar.com/cars/adopted/fiat/chrysler-fiat-alliance.html has some interesting stuff under Jeep Wrangler..
for 2010 and 2011 it lists Wrangler and Wrangler Unlimited.
Then for 2012 and 2013 it lists those same AND Wrangler Diesel and Wrangler Derivative
Maybe the listing of the diesels in '12 and '13 is only referring to the ones for export market, but then, why aren't they listed under 2010 and 2011?

Hmm..

-Dan

 

[uzj100]

Any new news on this one?

 

[Metcalf]

It is a complete shame that we cannot get the 2011 euro V diesel in the USA. I hope Jeep realizes that they are missing out not producing a diesel in the USA. I got the run around about how 'we are working on it' from the people at the EJS booth this year.

The only thing that annoys me, is now, with a DPF filter the 2011 diesels will not run on sub-par fuel if you want to travel south of the border....

The new stop start is weird too....you get some odd looks when it shuts off the engine at a light.

 

[OS-Aussie]

What years could you get a diesel GC and Liberty...?

GC 2007-2008 were the years, sadly I traded my 08 on my Mega Cab :Wow1:

I think it was something like 05-06 for the Liberty (07 was the smog change)

 

[Dan Grec]

...The only thing that annoys me, is now, with a DPF filter the 2011 diesels will not run on sub-par fuel if you want to travel south of the border....

Do you have an idea how by-passable or this system is? *
Can we modify it in any way?

-Dan

* Yes, Yes, I know, it's illegal in blah blah countries, blah blah.
I don't care.
I'm not interested in bypassing the system for countries that actually have laws. What I choose to do with it in other countries is my business.

 

[Metcalf]

As far as I know.....no.

It is not just the particular filter itself, but the programming in the computer. There might also be something with the fuel quality affecting the injectors or CP3 pump in the late model diesels.

Sadly, the 2007+ diesels also don't like biodiesel supposedly...

This is the point I bang my head on the desk....

 

[Bill Beers]

...

This is the point I bang my head on the desk....

Because you're upset with the EPA? :sombrero:

 

[Metcalf]

yes.....

 

[srmitchell]

That's such a bummer that you can't use bio-diesel.

Either way... we want diesels!

 

[Pskhaat]

If the Jeep marketplace (i.e. consumers) thought diesel was so great...

People will simply not buy them in any quantity. VW is the one exception...they cannot take risks with products they know consumers won't pay for.

How can either of these statements hold statistical water? Other than VW (correct) it is impossible to gauge demand if there are no sales figures to support it.

Did Jeep have lots of CRDs sitting on lots or at sub-profit prices to move them? Short answer is we don't know if the market will support diesel. There is no supply side to the equation. There are insignificant sales figures to signal most manufacturers' demands.

 

[The Swiss]

I did had a chance to drive a JK diesel in Europe. Loved the torque of the engine. Not the most refined diesel I ever drove, but matching very well the character of the JK. I definitely would get a diesel if available in the US.

 

[Metcalf]

The new 2011 diesel is great. Its significantly better than the J8 diesel ( basically the same as the last generation JK diesel ).

I was always impressed with the CRD liberty also....

I'm very tempted to try and attempt a LJ to CRD conversion. I think that is about the ONLY way to get a like OEM diesel jeep 'universal' in the USA ( without trying to import something ).

 

[Dave Bennett]

Did Jeep have lots of CRDs sitting on lots or at sub-profit prices to move them?

In all seriousness, Jeep screwed up when they put a CRD in a LIBERTY and not the JK. Let's just get real, that's just not a hot selling platform like the JK. There would be plenty of sales numbers to talk about had they put that in a JK instead of a Liberty...

 

[srmitchell]

Seriously, the diesel really went into some of the lamest jeeps ever made.

The wk is really ugly, and the kj is even worse.

(Sorry to the owners of these, I'm just not a fan.)

 

[Metcalf]

Just remember, even the KJ outsold expectations in the diesel version.
I am convinced that if they put the diesel in the JK it would be a monster selling point. The J8 would also sell fantastically if it was honestly offered.