The Forgotten Continent Expedition

dhackney

Expedition Leader
The Case for Scout Vehicles

One example of why it is nice to have a scout/auxiliary vehicle along:

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Riding to the Propane/LP/GLP plant in Cusco, Peru to get our small bottle filled.

This is a lot easier than driving the truck back through the city to the plant on the outskirts of town or tying to convince a cab driver it is a great idea to carry a full LP bottle in his trunk.
 

dhackney

Expedition Leader

Ursidae69

Traveller
Hey, how do most people react to their photos being taken like that? I always enjoy people shots, but wonder how the photographer gets that shot.

Thanks for the updates, great as always. :lurk:
 

dhackney

Expedition Leader
Ursidae69 said:
Hey, how do most people react to their photos being taken like that? I always enjoy people shots, but wonder how the photographer gets that shot.

Thanks for the updates, great as always. :lurk:

In the tourist areas the little kids and some old people work the tourists for shots. They bring a newborn lamb or a baby llama, dress in costume and pose for tips.

The market ladies are just living their life. They dress that way everyday because they want to not for the tourists or the shooters.

In a market setting I ask permission for a direct shot, e.g. "Can I take a photo of your hats/meat/sewing machine/etc." I usually only shoot a working person's face if I buy something from them or make a commercial arrangement with them. They are there trying to make a living, not provide photo modeling services.

The candid shots are done at a standoff distance with a 28-300. With the 1D sensor (1.3) that works out to be a 400 at full extension. A long lens is a key tool to capturing everyday life with people just being themselves.

For closeups or direct shots it is always best to ask permission. If you are not in a tourist area, many people are flattered to have someone ask to take their photo. Digital photography makes it easy to instantly share results by showing people the image on the camera.

In tourist areas people are usually jaded and really tired of people shoving a lens in their face. They will often be brusque or demand payment. That factor is one of the reasons we limit our time in tourist areas as much as possible.

For our philanthropic work, www.GivingPictures.org, we find people who have never held a photo of themselves before and give them one. That is a different type of scenario than a small town market or tourist area. Those settings are usually remote areas. Depending on the situation we may have been around the people for a while so they are more relaxed or they may be pretty uptight because they have never experienced having their photo captured before. In either case, those faces portray some pretty powerful emotions.

So, long answer to a short question. Here's a more concise version.

You get the best travel people shots by either:
- Capturing candid moments by using a long lens. Downside is the telephoto effect of flattening the image.
- Directly paying someone working the tourists to pose for you. Downside is it is a false moment and certainly not unique. Upside is it might be the only shot you get of people in costume, etc.
- Spending time with regular people living their regular lives off the tourist trail. Engender some trust in them and them in you and your shots will reflect the investment.
- Creating a different relationship where instead of taking their picture you are giving them one.
 
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dhackney

Expedition Leader
Desertdude said:
...You will enjoy meeting Tony if it works out. ;)

I went back and looked at their map and realized we walked right by their place a few days ago but didn't realize it at the time.

We are headed out to the sacred valley for a few days but will try to make contact when we stop back here in Cusco for a few more days.
 

Ursidae69

Traveller
dhackney said:
In the tourist areas the little kids and some old people work the tourists for shots. They bring a newborn lamb or a baby llama, dress in costume and pose for tips.

The market ladies are just living their life. They dress that way everyday because they want to not for the tourists or the shooters.

In a market setting I ask permission for a direct shot, e.g. "Can I take a photo of your hats/meat/sewing machine/etc." I usually only shoot a working person's face if I buy something from them or make a commercial arrangement with them. They are there trying to make a living, not provide photo modeling services.

The candid shots are done at a standoff distance with a 28-300. With the 1D sensor (1.3) that works out to be a 400 at full extension. A long lens is a key tool to capturing everyday life with people just being themselves.

For closeups or direct shots it is always best to ask permission. If you are not in a tourist area, many people are flattered to have someone ask to take their photo. Digital photography makes it easy to instantly share results by showing people the image on the camera.

In tourist areas people are usually jaded and really tired of people shoving a lens in their face. They will often be brusque or demand payment. That factor is one of the reasons we limit our time in tourist areas as much as possible.

For our philanthropic work, www.GivingPictures.org, we find people who have never held a photo of themselves before and give them one. That is a different type of scenario than a small town market or tourist area. Those settings are usually remote areas. Depending on the situation we may have been around the people for a while so they are more relaxed or they may be pretty uptight because they have never experienced having their photo captured before. In either case, those faces portray some pretty powerful emotions.

So, long answer to a short question. Here's a more concise version.

You get the best travel people shots by either:
- Capturing candid moments by using a long lens. Downside is the telephoto effect of flattening the image.
- Directly paying someone working the tourists to pose for you. Downside is it is a false moment and certainly not unique. Upside is it might be the only shot you get of people in costume, etc.
- Spending time with regular people living their regular lives off the tourist trail. Engender some trust in them and them in you and your shots will reflect the investment.
- Creating a different relationship where instead of taking their picture you are giving them one.


Thanks for the thoughtful and informative reply. I'd like to start getting some better people shots on my trips and I like your advice. Thanks. :beer:
 

dhackney

Expedition Leader
Ursidae69 said:
I'd like to start getting some better people shots on my trips

I've got some material on our web site that may be of help.

Our travel site is here: http://www.hackneys.com/travel/

On the menu on the left side is a "How To" section. Select the "Digital Travel Photography" option and it will list the available options.

One to start with is here: http://www.hackneys.com/travel/index-betterphotos.htm

It covers basic to intermediate tips on making better travel photos.

For people shots, one thing to strive for is a "catch light" in the eyes. You create it with lighting techniques (advanced/pro level) or with your flash (basic to intermediate level).

Check out these two examples, one without a catch light and one with.

Direct eye contact but no catch light.
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No direct eye contact but with a catch light.
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Which do you think is the better, more compelling shot?

I think you can make a case for the indirect shot. The catch light puts a sparkle in the eye and is more appealing for most viewers.

To create a catch light, use your flash. If at all possible, set the flash to fire at -2/3 to -1 1/3 stops. Adjust the amount as necessary to obtain the desired amount of fill light and catch light.

For more examples of people/faces, check out the World Faces album here:
http://www.hackneys.com/gallery/v/travel/
 

dhackney

Expedition Leader
Ride Your Own Ride

The tourist walked up to the restaurant, stopped, glanced at the exterior, looked over the menu on display and smiled, apparently finding something he liked. He started to enter but then stopped.

He pulled his travel guidebook out and leafed through the well worn, dog eared pages until he came to the city’s restaurant listings. He traced his finger down the reviews again and again. When he didn’t find the restaurant before him listed in his book he turned and walked away.

Meanwhile, we sat inside and enjoyed one of the best meals we’d had in weeks.

Click here for the rest of the story: http://www.hackneys.com/travel/peru/docs/rideyourownride.pdf
 

viter

Adventurer
this is a funny coincidence - I just bought a Lonely Planet guidebook to Spain a couple days ago! (I am 23 so I guess I do fit into the target market :) )

I agree that oftentimes your own journeys away from the tourist crowds are the best! I've never bought a guidebook before - usually my wife and I just do a combiantion of the following 3: look up what's interesting in the area online prior to the trip, ask locals when we get there, and wonder around until we find something interesting, but this time I thought that a guidebook will be a good thing to bring along.

I still think guidebooks are good too because they do at least point out things you COULD go and see when you don't have a clue about what's out there. But I definitely agree that one should not be afraid to try things outside the guidebook's pages and discover something new (sometimes good and sometimes not so good based on my own experiences - but that's what makes it an adventure, right?).

thanks to your timely post!
 

dhackney

Expedition Leader
Angels 12

1 August 2008

The Andean condor (Vultur gryphus) is one of the largest flying birds in the world with a wingspan of up to 10.5 feet / 3.2 meters and weighing up to 33 lbs. / 15 kg. It is a soaring bird, only flapping its wings about once an hour and unable to fly without the aid of thermal updrafts.

It is highly specialized for eating carrion, preferably the dead bodies of large animals such as cattle, deer or, of course, unlucky humans. Its beak is capable of easily ripping through tough, thick skin. Its head and long neck are featherless and suited to extending deep into its food.

Being a scavenger, the Andean condor generally prefers dead animals, but it is known to eat anything it considers dead.

The Andean condor roosts at elevations of 10,000 to 16,000 ft / 3,000 to 5,000 m, generally on bare rock. Because of its preference for very high altitudes it is rarely seen by humans. When an Andean condor is spotted, it is usually just a small, dark, slowly circling spot in the sky.

The general rule of thumb for humans is that if you are close enough to see an Andean condor’s face, it could be a very, very bad day.


Click here for the rest of the story: http://www.hackneys.com/travel/peru/docs/angels12.pdf

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RoundOut

Explorer
dhackney said:
1 August 2008

The Andean condor (Vultur gryphus) is one of the largest flying birds in the world with a wingspan of up to 10.5 feet / 3.2 meters and weighing up to 33 lbs. / 15 kg. It is a soaring bird, only flapping its wings about once an hour and unable to fly without the aid of thermal updrafts.

It is highly specialized for eating carrion, preferably the dead bodies of large animals such as cattle, deer or, of course, unlucky humans. Its beak is capable of easily ripping through tough, thick skin. Its head and long neck are featherless and suited to extending deep into its food.

Being a scavenger, the Andean condor generally prefers dead animals, but it is known to eat anything it considers dead.

The Andean condor roosts at elevations of 10,000 to 16,000 ft / 3,000 to 5,000 m, generally on bare rock. Because of its preference for very high altitudes it is rarely seen by humans. When an Andean condor is spotted, it is usually just a small, dark, slowly circling spot in the sky.

The general rule of thumb for humans is that if you are close enough to see an Andean condor’s face, it could be a very, very bad day.


Click here for the rest of the story: http://www.hackneys.com/travel/peru/docs/angels12.pdf

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Awesome photos & again..., I love your writing style!

Must have been an awe-inspiring campsite!

Thanks.

:lurk:


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