Thinking about a Pause

Obsessed2findARuggedHybid

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Looks like the old wet the finger spread the calk goofy homeowner method...eek

Get a wierd feeling about this trailer. Total speculation but I got the feeling they possible farm stuff out but got this response:

" The company originated from the expedition world (Acela/MAN style expedition trucks) and Baja Edition is the first line of expedition trailers that is inspired by the expedition builds that traverse continents.

Yes one of our facilities is in Redding. And yes we do most of the stuff in-house"

Tried to find a video walk thru but only found a Canadian Instagramer that just posted drone vids pulling the trailer.
 

Raspy

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Excellent post. One question on the different in design of the Reboot chassis and the Xplore X195/Roamer in regard to flex. Is the Reboot better on this aspect because of the front A frame drop down? Or is it the length of the A frame on the Xplore. My trailer is 100% Aluminum Channel with a massive amount of cross members. It does have flex as I noticed it when the tounge is lifted by a fork lift. It is designed to handel it so I am not worried. Maybe the flex issue on the x195 is not on the A frame but side to side. It just seem like the Reboot would have more flex do to the mostly Aluminum chassis.
The flex on the 195/R1 trailers causes the front storage box to damage the front of the trailer. The box is mounted with zero clearance to the body and when the frame flexes, the box presses against the body. But, in the case of my friend, the frame broke and it pulled the body mounting bolts out, such that the front of the body is just sitting on the frame, but not attached. Frame flexing will them cause the body to repeatedly lift off and slam back down on the frame as he drives. Ouch! I moved my storage box away, fixed the damaged fiberglass on the body and then re-mounted the box 5/8" farther forward. It still hit and damaged the body again. As mentioned, his frame break was at the point where the frame rail changed angle to become the tongue. It was just cut off at an angle and welded back on at the angle. The welding was not correctly done and the break was at the weld. Then Imperial tried to tell him that it was his fault and that frame flex was normal. Imperial advertises 1/4" wall thickness frames, but they ae really only 11 gauge, which is .123 thick, or just under 1/8".

The Reboot has a full aluminum frame that is riveted. It has two angled tongue arms and a center tongue arm that runs straight fore and aft and terminates near the hitch. The two outside arms are doing the majority of the work and do flex. The center arm, in my opinion is not mounted correctly, such that when the outer arms flex up under load, the center arm teeter totters on the front of the trailer and movies down at its rear end. It does not help significantly with the tongue weight and is more just along for the ride. The arms are made of 2" x 5" aluminum box with a 1/4" wall. It seems to me they should be taller and thicker. And the center arm needs a better rear cross member that does not flex down in response to the up force at the hitch. I plan to discuss this with Morryde, who makes the frame and am working on setting up a conversation with them now. My tongue weight is approximately 1,080 lbs.
 

Raspy

Active member
Looks like the old wet the finger spread the calk goofy homeowner method...eek

Get a wierd feeling about this trailer. Total speculation but I got the feeling they possible farm stuff out but got this response:

" The company originated from the expedition world (Acela/MAN style expedition trucks) and Baja Edition is the first line of expedition trailers that is inspired by the expedition builds that traverse continents.

Yes one of our facilities is in Redding. And yes we do most of the stuff in-house"

Tried to find a video walk thru but only found a Canadian Instagramer that just posted drone vids pulling the trailer.
These look very interesting, but I'm not so sure about them. The advertising says the frame is galvanized, but the pictures show it black? The frame tongue rails look quite small, so I'm skeptical about the frame. A good close inspection in person would be very valuable. Very little info on the wall construction and I think if they have an aluminum skeleton inside they would be proud of it. If not, the body, mounting system looks suspect to me. The swing arms are said to be DOM tubing, that means nothing because they do not mention th thickness of the tubing. DOM simply means "Drawn Over Mandrel, but says nothing about wall thickness, which can be almost anything. He mentions the shocks are mounted outside to give better handling, but since the swingarm is pivoted in front the inside and outside move just the same. Handling cannot be different with the shock on the outside, but on the outside would reduce swing arm flexing and they look like they will flex. Maybe I missed something, but his explanation is not adequate. His swingarms are proprietary, so if you ever damage a spindle, you have to replace the whole thing and get it from him. With the Reboot, short axles are Ubolted to the swingarms. If you ever damage a spindle, or want to upgrade to a 5200 lb axles, you simply buy any 5200 lb axle from any supplier, cut off 24" of it and bolt it in. Very simple and could be fixed on the road in a remote location. This means you could switch to bigger bearings or bigger brakes too, by simply bolting in the 24" axle stubs you bought at a trailer supply house. Reboot uses twin Bilstein shocks that are off the shelf and work very well. No super expensive Fox remote reservoir shocks with proprietary valving. Sheesh. These trailers are not for Baja racing. There is no need for high end proprietary racing shocks. They talk about the wheel track being the same as the truck track. That's nice, but not really necessary. A bit wider is more stable. And in making the track this narrow, they placed the tires so close to the frame that it looks like there is no room for chains. I hate running chains, but in California if you have to chain up the truck, you also have to chain up the trailer. And as I understand it, if there are chain controls, you cannot proceed simply with snow tires if you are towing. The Reboot has a wider track, but it is undoubtedly, more stable off road or on higher speed highway turns and there is plenty of room to chain up if required. I would only do it in an emergency, but it is nice to know I can. I don't want a cassette toilet or a "composting" toilet. I use the Separett brand Tiny toilet. Much better. I also want to cook with propane because I don't want to add the load of an induction stove to the solar system or be tied to induction pans. There is not too much info on the solar or battery bank sizes, but they seem to not be as large as possible. There is no mention of an arched roof, which further tends to support the idea that there is no aluminum skeleton. The Reboot has an arched roof with an aluminum truss structure. The Reboot walls also have aluminum skeletons and are screwed to the frame very securely. Flat roofs puddle. Puddling leads to leaks. And finally, I like my Reboot 12 gallon air tank. It is excellent for filling aired down tires. No air tank in the RREV.
 
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DFNDER

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If your primary use case is to camp on some land you own, and you don’t really plan to overland or go on rough dirt roads with it, you might want consider something other than these overland trailers. You’re going to pay a lot for features and off road capable engineering just to have it sit there. Brands like Arctic Fox and a few others offer 4 season rigs that may make more sense for you. We all pay a premium for ofc road capability because we want it, but it doesn’t make much sense if you’re never going to use it.


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eatSleepWoof

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If your primary use case is to camp on some land you own, and you don’t really plan to overland or go on rough dirt roads with it, you might want consider something other than these overland trailers. You’re going to pay a lot for features and off road capable engineering just to have it sit there. Brands like Arctic Fox and a few others offer 4 season rigs that may make more sense for you. We all pay a premium for ofc road capability because we want it, but it doesn’t make much sense if you’re never going to use it.


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100% this.

What's more, all the proprietary stuff is somewhat scary. When happens when something breaks 10 years down the line, and this company is no longer in business? Who will do the repairs? What if it's a problem with their custom electronics and software? You'll be stuck with a $100k+ paperweight.
 

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