Thinking about a Pause

[Obsessed2findARuggedHybid]

Looks like the old wet the finger spread the calk goofy homeowner method...eek

Get a wierd feeling about this trailer. Total speculation but I got the feeling they possible farm stuff out but got this response:

" The company originated from the expedition world (Acela/MAN style expedition trucks) and Baja Edition is the first line of expedition trailers that is inspired by the expedition builds that traverse continents.

Yes one of our facilities is in Redding. And yes we do most of the stuff in-house"

Tried to find a video walk thru but only found a Canadian Instagramer that just posted drone vids pulling the trailer.

 

[Obsessed2findARuggedHybid]

Spoke to soon

 

[eatSleepWoof]

Spoke to soon

They've got more, interesting stuff on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/roamresilient/

 

[Raspy]

Excellent post. One question on the different in design of the Reboot chassis and the Xplore X195/Roamer in regard to flex. Is the Reboot better on this aspect because of the front A frame drop down? Or is it the length of the A frame on the Xplore. My trailer is 100% Aluminum Channel with a massive amount of cross members. It does have flex as I noticed it when the tounge is lifted by a fork lift. It is designed to handel it so I am not worried. Maybe the flex issue on the x195 is not on the A frame but side to side. It just seem like the Reboot would have more flex do to the mostly Aluminum chassis.

The flex on the 195/R1 trailers causes the front storage box to damage the front of the trailer. The box is mounted with zero clearance to the body and when the frame flexes, the box presses against the body. But, in the case of my friend, the frame broke and it pulled the body mounting bolts out, such that the front of the body is just sitting on the frame, but not attached. Frame flexing will them cause the body to repeatedly lift off and slam back down on the frame as he drives. Ouch! I moved my storage box away, fixed the damaged fiberglass on the body and then re-mounted the box 5/8" farther forward. It still hit and damaged the body again. As mentioned, his frame break was at the point where the frame rail changed angle to become the tongue. It was just cut off at an angle and welded back on at the angle. The welding was not correctly done and the break was at the weld. Then Imperial tried to tell him that it was his fault and that frame flex was normal. Imperial advertises 1/4" wall thickness frames, but they ae really only 11 gauge, which is .123 thick, or just under 1/8".

The Reboot has a full aluminum frame that is riveted. It has two angled tongue arms and a center tongue arm that runs straight fore and aft and terminates near the hitch. The two outside arms are doing the majority of the work and do flex. The center arm, in my opinion is not mounted correctly, such that when the outer arms flex up under load, the center arm teeter totters on the front of the trailer and movies down at its rear end. It does not help significantly with the tongue weight and is more just along for the ride. The arms are made of 2" x 5" aluminum box with a 1/4" wall. It seems to me they should be taller and thicker. And the center arm needs a better rear cross member that does not flex down in response to the up force at the hitch. I plan to discuss this with Morryde, who makes the frame and am working on setting up a conversation with them now. My tongue weight is approximately 1,080 lbs.

 

[Raspy]

Looks like the old wet the finger spread the calk goofy homeowner method...eek

Get a wierd feeling about this trailer. Total speculation but I got the feeling they possible farm stuff out but got this response:

" The company originated from the expedition world (Acela/MAN style expedition trucks) and Baja Edition is the first line of expedition trailers that is inspired by the expedition builds that traverse continents.

Yes one of our facilities is in Redding. And yes we do most of the stuff in-house"

Tried to find a video walk thru but only found a Canadian Instagramer that just posted drone vids pulling the trailer.

These look very interesting, but I'm not so sure about them. The advertising says the frame is galvanized, but the pictures show it black? The frame tongue rails look quite small, so I'm skeptical about the frame. A good close inspection in person would be very valuable. Very little info on the wall construction and I think if they have an aluminum skeleton inside they would be proud of it. If not, the body, mounting system looks suspect to me. The swing arms are said to be DOM tubing, that means nothing because they do not mention th thickness of the tubing. DOM simply means "Drawn Over Mandrel, but says nothing about wall thickness, which can be almost anything. He mentions the shocks are mounted outside to give better handling, but since the swingarm is pivoted in front the inside and outside move just the same. Handling cannot be different with the shock on the outside, but on the outside would reduce swing arm flexing and they look like they will flex. Maybe I missed something, but his explanation is not adequate. His swingarms are proprietary, so if you ever damage a spindle, you have to replace the whole thing and get it from him. With the Reboot, short axles are Ubolted to the swingarms. If you ever damage a spindle, or want to upgrade to a 5200 lb axles, you simply buy any 5200 lb axle from any supplier, cut off 24" of it and bolt it in. Very simple and could be fixed on the road in a remote location. This means you could switch to bigger bearings or bigger brakes too, by simply bolting in the 24" axle stubs you bought at a trailer supply house. Reboot uses twin Bilstein shocks that are off the shelf and work very well. No super expensive Fox remote reservoir shocks with proprietary valving. Sheesh. These trailers are not for Baja racing. There is no need for high end proprietary racing shocks. They talk about the wheel track being the same as the truck track. That's nice, but not really necessary. A bit wider is more stable. And in making the track this narrow, they placed the tires so close to the frame that it looks like there is no room for chains. I hate running chains, but in California if you have to chain up the truck, you also have to chain up the trailer. And as I understand it, if there are chain controls, you cannot proceed simply with snow tires if you are towing. The Reboot has a wider track, but it is undoubtedly, more stable off road or on higher speed highway turns and there is plenty of room to chain up if required. I would only do it in an emergency, but it is nice to know I can. I don't want a cassette toilet or a "composting" toilet. I use the Separett brand Tiny toilet. Much better. I also want to cook with propane because I don't want to add the load of an induction stove to the solar system or be tied to induction pans. There is not too much info on the solar or battery bank sizes, but they seem to not be as large as possible. There is no mention of an arched roof, which further tends to support the idea that there is no aluminum skeleton. The Reboot has an arched roof with an aluminum truss structure. The Reboot walls also have aluminum skeletons and are screwed to the frame very securely. Flat roofs puddle. Puddling leads to leaks. And finally, I like my Reboot 12 gallon air tank. It is excellent for filling aired down tires. No air tank in the RREV.

 

[DFNDER]

If your primary use case is to camp on some land you own, and you don’t really plan to overland or go on rough dirt roads with it, you might want consider something other than these overland trailers. You’re going to pay a lot for features and off road capable engineering just to have it sit there. Brands like Arctic Fox and a few others offer 4 season rigs that may make more sense for you. We all pay a premium for ofc road capability because we want it, but it doesn’t make much sense if you’re never going to use it.


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[eatSleepWoof]

If your primary use case is to camp on some land you own, and you don’t really plan to overland or go on rough dirt roads with it, you might want consider something other than these overland trailers. You’re going to pay a lot for features and off road capable engineering just to have it sit there. Brands like Arctic Fox and a few others offer 4 season rigs that may make more sense for you. We all pay a premium for ofc road capability because we want it, but it doesn’t make much sense if you’re never going to use it.


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100% this.

What's more, all the proprietary stuff is somewhat scary. When happens when something breaks 10 years down the line, and this company is no longer in business? Who will do the repairs? What if it's a problem with their custom electronics and software? You'll be stuck with a $100k+ paperweight.

 

[Ozarker]

I heard they will offer a smaller unit next year, to be named the Mini Pause.

 

[Risar]

. My tongue weight is approximately 1,080 lbs.

This has always been my issue with Pause/Reboot. Their small trailers are fat and seem to assume you are going to drive a 2500 or bigger to tow it. At that point just get a bigger trailer. Seems kinda backwards.

They need some ozempic.

 

[Raspy]

This has always been my issue with Pause/Reboot. Their small trailers are fat and seem to assume you are going to drive a 2500 or bigger to tow it. At that point just get a bigger trailer. Seems kinda backwards.

They need some ozempic.

Not sure what you mean by this. You seem to be implying that they deliberately made them fat. The trailer weight is proportional to the trailer size. They are surprisingly heavy, but let's look at why. The aluminum frame is a lighter material, but there is a lot more aluminum in the frame than there is steel in the typical frame. The aluminum skeleton in the walls and internal furnishings and bulkhead walls must add some weight, but dramatically increases the strength. The solid surface countertops and wall behind the sink definitely add weight. The independent air suspension system is heavy. The roof, being covered with glass solar panels and a strong mounting structure also adds weight. That upper structure stiffens the whole trailer, mounts the solar system and takes the heavy stress from the legless awning. The huge fridge, 65 gallons of fresh water, large utility rear rack, 1,080 AH of batteries, 3,000 watt Victron inverter/charger with huge cables to the batteries, heavy articulating Morryde hitch, very nice three burner stove with convection/microwave, load range E, LT tires on tandem axles with twin shocks per wheel, and 12 gallon steel air tank all add up. They didn't just add "fat", they added very nice equipment, and lots of it. They ran the prototype trailers through torture tests to try and break them. It just is what it is. We can compare the weight to some cheap sticky, but that would be totally unfair. These are robust trailers made to travel in rough terrain, perform off-grid and last a long time. And they are towed best with 3/4 ton trucks. This means large brakes, engine brakes on diesels, lots of pulling power with good gearing, etc. A large well built trailer requires a larger capable truck.

 

[rdrop]

I think @Raspy hit the nail on the head here! Hard to see how they could remove weight given the features/benefits. I do wonder if you could keep the same features but reduce the tongue weight some? Not an engineer, so the consequences of moving the axles forward to reduce tongue weight may be an undesirable compromise. Other than that potential improvement, pretty tough to complain about weight given the features. Everything is a compromise!

 

[mvbeggs]

Not sure what you mean by this. You seem to be implying that they deliberately made them fat. The trailer weight is proportional to the trailer size. They are surprisingly heavy, but let's look at why. The aluminum frame is a lighter material, but there is a lot more aluminum in the frame than there is steel in the typical frame. The aluminum skeleton in the walls and internal furnishings and bulkhead walls must add some weight, but dramatically increases the strength. The solid surface countertops and wall behind the sink definitely add weight. The independent air suspension system is heavy. The roof, being covered with glass solar panels and a strong mounting structure also adds weight. That upper structure stiffens the whole trailer, mounts the solar system and takes the heavy stress from the legless awning. The huge fridge, 65 gallons of fresh water, large utility rear rack, 1,080 AH of batteries, 3,000 watt Victron inverter/charger with huge cables to the batteries, heavy articulating Morryde hitch, very nice three burner stove with convection/microwave, load range E, LT tires on tandem axles with twin shocks per wheel, and 12 gallon steel air tank all add up. They didn't just add "fat", they added very nice equipment, and lots of it. They ran the prototype trailers through torture tests to try and break them. It just is what it is. We can compare the weight to some cheap sticky, but that would be totally unfair. These are robust trailers made to travel in rough terrain, perform off-grid and last a long time. And they are towed best with 3/4 ton trucks. This means large brakes, engine brakes on diesels, lots of pulling power with good gearing, etc. A large well built trailer requires a larger capable truck.

I challenge the thought that you can't build a capable, luxurious, strong, off road trailer that is under 8,000 lbs. See Zone RV Summit

These trailers are likely not capable to -40F, but come on US manufacturers, up your game!

I'm also not a fan of Pause's approach to their suspension. They decided to design their own. Their system, MAY be good, but it has not stood the test of time. Why not just use a proven system, with a ton of support and off road miles, like Cruisemaster?

 

[FAW3]

If your primary use case is to camp on some land you own, and you don’t really plan to overland or go on rough dirt roads with it, you might want consider something other than these overland trailers. You’re going to pay a lot for features and off road capable engineering just to have it sit there. Brands like Arctic Fox and a few others offer 4 season rigs that may make more sense for you. We all pay a premium for ofc road capability because we want it, but it doesn’t make much sense if you’re never going to use it.


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Good suggestion…I’d even go further: if road access would permit the delivery of a decent sized shed or cabin. You own the land…build there.

 

[Raspy]

I challenge the thought that you can't build a capable, luxurious, strong, off road trailer that is under 8,000 lbs. See Zone RV Summit

These trailers are likely not capable to -40F, but come on US manufacturers, up your game!

I'm also not a fan of Pause's approach to their suspension. They decided to design their own. Their system, MAY be good, but it has not stood the test of time. Why not just use a proven system, with a ton of support and off road miles, like Cruisemaster?

Regarding the suspension, I've looked at it carefully and talked to the engineers, in person, that designed it. I toured the Morryde factory. I talked the their spokesman about it.

Morryde and Pause worked together very closely on various parts of the trailers to develop the Reboot and the Pause. Pause decided, going in, that the trailers would be completely US built. They did not want to import hitches, or suspension systems. They beat the heck out of the swing arm system in thorough testing on torture tracks. They came up with a system that has nearly 12" of travel and one in which the stub axles can be upgraded or replaced easily in the field if someone has a bearing failure that wipes out the spindle, wants to upgrade to 12" brakes or just bends a spindle from a severe impact. The Bilstein shocks, or equivalent are easy to get and not proprietary units from overseas, like Cruisemaster uses. The shocks on Black Series swing arms are absolute junk and useless. There is no need to order parts from China or Australia for the Morryde setup. To replace a stub axle, in the field, you can go to any trailer supply and get an axle of any length, simply hacksaw off 24" of it and bolt it in with simple tools, out in the desert if needed. Try that with Cruisemaster or Black Series or others.

I looked at the Morryde system carefully and decided it could have been designed a little better. I quizzed the engineers about it and pointed out where and why. I stood right there, with them and looked at the system in their facility. I pointed to the features in question and explained my points. This is not just blind criticism, or some deliberate negativity based on nothing. I know what I'm talking about. The point is they sacrificed a bit of clearance in a couple of ways in the design they came up with. It could have been slightly stronger and more practical with a simple change, but they had good reasons for doing what they did, and it is strong. Pause also made a mistake in the air plumbing that I hope they will correct. I like the Cruisemaster system too, but it is not made in the US and it is a proprietary system that can only be ordered from them, including the swingarms and the shocks. And everything Cruisemaster is very expensive. A set of bearings costs over $70. and takes time to get, whereas we can get Timken bearings for Morryde, that uses common bearings, and good seals, at NAPA or Amazon easier, for way less and quicker. Bottom line: We don't have to use foreign parts to get reliability or quality. We don't have to wait and see if they are well made. We don't have to be tied to proprietary parts that are hard to get and expensive. We don't have to replace entire swingarms to fix a damaged spindle. It's better to look carefully at what it is and base any comments on real information.

I'm also happy to admit that the Cruisemaster system is very good. It is a simple and elegant design. The bags are a different design than Morryde. The travel is less, but the clearance is better. But again, it has the disadvantages of being very expensive, harder to get, uses proprietary shocks and the whole piece must be replaced if we damage a spindle. There are always compromises in engineering and always differing points of view on what is important.

 

[Obsessed2findARuggedHybid]

I have been critical in the past on the weight of the Pause/ Reboot trailers but have realized that what makes them on the heavy side, is of coarse the rugged build, insulation, chassis suspension and tongue hitch. But mostly it is there size in box length when you compare to lightweight suv towable off road trailers. If you look at the smallest pause 16.4 it's gvwr is 6,795 pounds (tongue weight is listed at 825 lbs whis is kind of high and maybe not accurate). It is 22 feet long with a 16 foot box. Then look at Boreas eos12. It has a 12 foot box and has a 5,200 pound gvwr and is under 20 feet. Other then getting the tongue weight down on the Pause your not going to get to much lighter if you want 16 plus foot box.