Thule or Yakima?

OverlandZJ

Expedition Leader
Is there a preference?

I'm going to pick up six gutter clamps and three loadbars for a rooftop tent. Has anyone had a failure of either?

Decided i'm not going to modify my Garvin Wilderness rack, just remove it and store in garage till i need it.
 

bigreen505

Expedition Leader
This is a huge generalization, but Yakima is more innovative and gets cool products out first. By the time Thule gets out a competitor -- usually one or two years later, it is a notable improvement. Thules work fine on a flat roof (front to back, I think they are equal for side to side arc), but the round bars of a Yakima allow the attachments to be parallel to each other even if the towers are at a huge angle.

Figure out what parts you need and decide which are higher quality and easier to use, each of the product lines has winners and losers in it. Personally I prefer Thules bike and ski racks, and some of their towers, and I like the round Yakima bars. So overall I guess I don't have a preference.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
Both Thule and Yak have good rain gutter type towers. For aero applications I think the Yakima Q Towers are cleaner and stronger. That's a personal opinion, no actual data to prove or disprove it. One thing is that the round Yakima bars are stronger than the square Thule. This would be better for a roof top tent. Even with just bikes and stuff the Thule bars are more likely to bend and so with that much weight I would definitely go Yakima.
 

Nullifier

Expedition Leader
Well I'll tell you as a dealer for both brands I have a major opinion on this. If you are getting a tower to fit a rain gutter thule is the only way to go. I have installed both types on to many vehicles to count. I personally have broke 3 of the yakima raingutter towers and have had over a dozen customers have problems. I have never had a thule raingutter system fail.

The reason is becuase the Thule unit is based on a metal chassis. The Yakima system is an injection molded piece that breaks down over time with u.v. light exposure. There is nno way around it. I have not stocked any yakima raingutter style racks in the shop for over 3 years now due to all the problems with them. Generally speaking yakima makes a good product but in this case Thule wins hands down!

So once again BUY THE THULE!!!
 

asteffes

Explorer
I've hauled three complete, heavy (they were old) mountain bikes at a time on a pair of 48 inch Thule bars and never experienced any problems with them bending or even flexing too much. I've also handled some Yakima attachments that had very hoaky locking mechanisms... mostly made of plastic and intended only to deter the laziest of thieves. The Thule stuff seems much more secure.

Another issue is the round bars do not prevent anything from rotating or slipping around the bar. This can be an issue with front wheel carriers for bikes and antenna mounts that clamp around the bar. With a square Thule bar, nothing slips around at all.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
Nullifier said:
Well I'll tell you as a dealer for both brands I have a major opinion on this. If you are getting a tower to fit a rain gutter thule is the only way to go. I have installed both types on to many vehicles to count. I personally have broke 3 of the yakima raingutter towers and have had over a dozen customers have problems. I have never had a thule raingutter system fail.

The reason is becuase the Thule unit is based on a metal chassis. The Yakima system is an injection molded piece that breaks down over time with u.v. light exposure. There is nno way around it. I have not stocked any yakima raingutter style racks in the shop for over 3 years now due to all the problems with them. Generally speaking yakima makes a good product but in this case Thule wins hands down!

So once again BUY THE THULE!!!
It has been a few years now since I worked in the bike shops (Cape Bike in Cape Girardeau and South Side Cycles in St. Louis) and so my experience is obviously skewed. But in those 5 or so years in the shops I saw that the Yakima system was definitely the better brand. This was the days of the old SST rain gutter system, which was brutally strong. I have very old 1A towers (I bought them in 1987 for my first car) on the 'Nest and Q-towers (from 1999) on the car. I'll freely admit to not having the experience that Nullifier does, so I'd guess that my experience is abnormal. But the sun is pretty intense here in Denver and I don't seem to have UV issues. Shrug.

The round bars do let things like wheel forks spin, which is really irritating, but they /are/ stronger than square bars. This is why bike frames and roll cages use round tubing and not square. Thule bars are strong enough, but do bend easier than Yakima bars. Well at least they used to, Yakima is probably much, much cheaper now and my point of view is really way off since a lot of my stuff I bought 10, 15, even 20 years ago now. Most of it was made in Arcadia and not China. I guess Thule is the better way to go, now. Intuitively the round bars just seem better and if you have rain gutters the 1A towers I think are still better than the Thule 300 ones, but both are pretty simple devices, though.
 
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robert

Expedition Leader
I've got both- Thule for the VW bus and Yakima for the truck. The accesories work on either for the most part now. I like how common the Yakima stuff is, but the Thule seems to be a bit heavier duty.

My biggest gripe, and I was cussing when I hit the roof of my camper shell, is that the Yakima kayak saddles rotate on the round Yakima bars- the Hulley Rollers did it the worst. This isn't a huge deal if you're put a lightweight boat or a whitewater boat up there, but with a 65lb sea kayak it can be a real PITA. I've tried cranking down on them to the point I thought the plastic clips would break and they still rotate after a bit.
 

OverlandZJ

Expedition Leader
Thanks for the input guys. I think i will probably go with the Thule towers and loadbars. Looking at Thule's website i'm looking for the 300 towers and 58" loadbars.

Those with rooftents on Thule or Yakima bars, do you unbolt the tent from the bars or remove the system along with the tent for storage? If i were to leave the towers/bars on the vehicle i could mount my Garvin basket directly to it and have more options for carry'n gear. Make sense?
 

dieselcruiserhead

16 Years on ExPo. Whoa!!
I have both also and hands down the Yakima is 10 times better for any load hauling. I see what he means by the towers breaking down over time but I have had many old pairs and not yet for me personally (though I can see how it would happen easily). Thule bars are cheap and not really designed for a load. I run Thule for skis and some bikes, slightly better aerodynamics. Yakima for anything that needs weight carrying ability, canoes, roof racks, etc..
 

\\'anderer

Adventurer
I have owned my Yakima rack system since '87, It has hauled everything without a problem. Yakima is my rack of choice for everything UNTIL I tried putting my rooftop tent on my jeep. Yakima racks are rated for 150 lbs (2 crossbars, 4 towers). The weight of my tent, myself, the wife and a couple Chihuahua's are well over the recommended limit, even if using 4 crossbars and 8 towers. The rack did hold up well, but it sure flexes. The towers were OK but the crossbars were bowing and once the wife got up on the roof you shoulda seen the bars move around (she is not heavy).

I have no experience with Thule roof racks, but I would recommend to NOT use Yakima in this situation.
 

articulate

Expedition Leader
\\'anderer said:
Yakima is my rack of choice for everything UNTIL I tried putting my rooftop tent on my jeep. Yakima racks are rated for 150 lbs (2 crossbars, 4 towers). ...The rack did hold up well, but it sure flexes. The towers were OK but the crossbars were bowing and once the wife got up on the roof you shoulda seen the bars move around (she is not heavy).
What about replacing the cross bars with steel tubing that's the same diameter? Unless the diameter is a strange dimension, I don't know why that wouldn't be a fairly inexpensive fix. Or maybe a support in the middle. Thoughts?

Mark
 

mike h

Adventurer
The round Yak racks will be as strong as any other tubing, they are pretty stout. In that situation, both the Yak or Thule crossbars will flex regardless of square vs round. You've simply exceeded their limits. It used to be the case that the longest bars, 72s, were beefier than the rest, and we would buy those and cut them down for strength. I don't know if that is still true.

I've used Yakimas over the years, but consider both equals. Really depends on the specifics of your vehicle. The reason Yak used round tubing was to accomodate a curved roofline. In those cases, the round tubes allow the mounts to self-center and avoid stressing the system.

But most roof aps are relatively flat, so this is moot point, unless you have VW bug. The only design failure I've seen concerning round vs square is with the kayak mounts, as mentioned earlier - the Hully Rollers rotate under load when you slide the boats across them, which is miserable. I tried pinning the bars to the end towers, but no luck. I sold the hully rollers and downgraded to the basic saddles which work OK.

The boat mounts are the few that are single mounts, meaning they don't connect the two crossbars, like a bike tray or basket. Once you do this, you resolve any round bar rotation issues, as you make a solid, integral framework from the rack accesories and rack.

Specific to rooftop tents, or larger baskets, additional cross bars is your answer regardless of brand. Spread four crossbars under the tent system and you'll probably be fine.

m.
 

MountainBiker

Experience Seeker
articulate said:
What about replacing the cross bars with steel tubing that's the same diameter? Unless the diameter is a strange dimension, I don't know why that wouldn't be a fairly inexpensive fix.
That is what is done with Pop-up tent trailers. They use round steel tubing to span the 7.5' across the top of the camper. These bars seem much stiffer than the standard YAK bars.
 

toyrunner95

Explorer
i had a yakima gutter rack on my old nissan and i wouldent haul anything on that pos, it never worked right and it wasnt compatible with anything i used.

thule on the other hand was amazing, i put a wilderness rack on my crossbars on my 4runner and loaded it with over 500lbs never had a problem, however this used my stock rail system and not rain gutters. but overall i would spend the money and save the time on thule again, plus the name is cool.
 

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