Toyota Landcruiser vs Land Rover. Completely different "brands" and vehicles.
Unobtainum
- Thread starter ghostdancer
- Start date
IdaSHO
IDACAMPER
Stateside, for many reasons, Ford and GMC pretty well own the industrial/commercial sector.
Some odd-duck USGS and USFS districts use Dodge/Ram.
Again, for many reasons. One primary reason Id assume is they fill the role adequately.
For the most part, they are heavy duty no-nonsense vehicles.
The Dodges, Id assume the predominant reason is they get them cheap
Some odd-duck USGS and USFS districts use Dodge/Ram.
Again, for many reasons. One primary reason Id assume is they fill the role adequately.
For the most part, they are heavy duty no-nonsense vehicles.
The Dodges, Id assume the predominant reason is they get them cheap
IdaSHO
IDACAMPER
No bother. He's simply too ignorant at this point to realize we agree on more things than we disagree
ThundahBeagle
Well-known member
Oh...
My...
God.
How in the hell did I misread that? Clearly, yes.
*Ahem* please disregard my last.
2025 deleted member
Well-known member
If the domestics can get the build quality up, and I think they had for the most part but all the new electronic gizmos drag it back down. You don’t see a lot of 30 year old domestic trucks off-road but you see a ton of Toyotas and that’s saying since they made 100x as many domestic trucks
nickw
Adventurer
Mostly just habit to put an @ since since it auto populates the names....Understood - but with respect, why ping him then ? Drop the @ and your point is still made.
Famously, a small number of non street legal LC70s have been imported and modified to be used in some Canadain mining applications for quite some time. I'm thinking because of a combination of size and robustness. Again, application.
Cab & Chassis – Ens Industrial
ensindustrial.ca
The Underland Cruiser: Toyota’s 70-Series Land Cruiser Is a Mining Workhorse - Hagerty Media
Toyota's 70-Series Land Cruiser is about as tough as they come. If you want to find one in North America, you might need to head underground.www.hagerty.com
Tend to agree with your other posts. For eg, there's a member on here who recently bought an F250 with a reported 3998 Lb ( 1,813 kgs) payload (!).
Is Offroading in a SuperDuty Really That Bad?
For on-road handling I think you'll want some shocks with high digressive damping. Bilsteins might be enough. Check Toyo inflation tables. My tires (325/65r18) are rated for 2715 lbs at 40 psi. 2535 lbs at 35...
A quick look at the '24 Ford tow guide shows max conventional towing weights for F250 models vary from 14,100 - 20,000 Lbs (6,350-9,071kgs). Natch F350s could be more. Didn't look at F150s 'cause way too many configs/trims
So the capacity numbers are there but ... the 3 domestics are not Toyotas, that's why I was asking about what industry/commercial users, use.
Back during my tree planting stint the Co.s used F350CCLBs tho there was a Toyota or 2 mixed in. Guys like to ride in the F350s because the ride was better on FSRs (no GMCs unfortunately...) most probably because of the longer wb.
I've read on here that some forestry product Co.s have switched from 1 tons to F150s. The front ends go sooner than the SFAs but the rest of the F150s are much improved, highly capable, and strong enough (for the $s). Being cheaper (fleet sales not the ridiculous retail we see) apparently the 1/2 ton economics make sense. Again, application.
charlieaarons
Explorer
I said I’d take a picture of 70 series rear springs. 70mm (~2.75”) wide as always. Main leaves look the usual 7mm thick. This is a wagon so it has 2 x 12mm sub leaves; pickups seem to have 3. And only 5 main leaves vs 6 in pickups.
Didn’t measure length, no tape measure, but I suspect the spring constant of the entire pack is a bit greater than typical US 1 tons from what I’ve seen lately.
nickw
Adventurer
What is Payload capacity?
charlieaarons
Explorer
Look, I just promised to take a picture.
But typically, when tare and gross weights are posted on a sticker, the difference is ~1100 kg = 2425 lb.
But typically, when tare and gross weights are posted on a sticker, the difference is ~1100 kg = 2425 lb.
nickw
Adventurer
Figured you had access to rigs and could of looked at what the actual Payload was which is always hard to do online because it's always absolute max, I think the 2500's max are 4000 lbs + and the 3500's are 6000 lbs +
MikeIndiaKiloEcho
New member
Okay, I realize this is a slightly old thread.
Yeah there are flat bed options available here in the states.
I've owned Domestic One tons. They are huge. Immense. Massive.
At least a foot wider easily than a 70 series.
Domestic One tons are also HEAVY. IMMENSE. OBESE.
Most importantly... They ride like ********. They dont really carry their weight very well. Massive engines and tons of steel really far above the axles. seat perched high to see over the massive engine sit like a barstool. Feet way low. Everything is too tall.
They are insanely heavy. They gain their strength through mass Dana Axles are cast housings. If they are going to make them stronger they need to be thicker and larger. Domestic Axles use U joints. Toyotas have Birfields. Toyota axle housings are formed and welded, If they want to make it stronger they can change the material, plate stock etc....
The Toyotas are great examples of doing more with less. They are still solid. Millions of photos all over the net will show you heavily overloaded Toyotas loaded to the gills forty years old or more putting away in South America, Africa, Afghanistan.... wherever.
That said, have you ever seen a Domestic One ton Technical? (I'm sure there is at least one photo out there). To the US Military a One ton is used for on base freight and towing. The Toyotas are actually used over seas in military opperations and applications. Even by the US Military. Hell, there is actually a Legitimatly named "Toyota War" between Libya and Chad. Where Chad kicked Libyas heavily funded and equipped asses by using Toyota 60 and 70 series land cruisers to out manuver, out drive, and out perform the Libyan army.
Do you see the forestry service use them? Yes. Why? Well, they are available. US Government is usually controlled to buy domestic vehicles.
The Chicken Tax also falls into this conversation as well. Why do you see Domestic trucks at farms in the USA? Well.... They are available. Comparably sized farms in Africa and Australia have been using LCs for decades because they have, they are available. thats all.
All of this said. Many mining operations... run 70 series. because they are more rugged and they are smaller....
New 70 series trucks are expensive as I under stand. The picture you show here is of an AEM Prospector Ram.... Thats over 100k.
The Wheels and Tires alone are damn near 5k. The engine tuning is even more expensive, and even after all of that.... it still rides horribly.
What do I drive now?
After years of domestic trucks. One Tons and the like? Notice how my 60 series High roof, which was made for Firemen sitting on a raised rear seat wearing helmets. Is at the same height as the Silverado sitting next to it? I get far better Milage too.
Now all of this said. Ya run what ya brung.
You drive what you like and what you are comfortable with. IF for you, that means you like Domestic trucks. Thats great. For me, its an old toyota.
Some guys like Scotch, some like Bourbon and Rye.
Neither one is wrong. Coke and Pepsi. Maybe for you, Ford Vs Dodge.
Im sure we all have opinions with how you equip a truck as well.
Hell I think those dog house style canopy rigs are a waste of material. Again, thats me.
Be you, You do you.
Attachments
2025 deleted member
Well-known member
Domestic technical 😆 hold my beer..
MikeIndiaKiloEcho
New member
Like I said I knew there were a few photos out there.
Now line them up against Toyotas, and where they are…. You’ll start to see a pattern.