Visit to Global Expedition Vehicles

Greg

Observer
Recently I visited Global Expedition Vehicles, spent two hours talking with owner Mike Van Pelt, and took a test ride. I flew from Seattle to Springfield Missouri to visit my parents and knew I would kick myself if I didn’t try to see his vehicle, only 25 minutes south of Springfield.

I’ve followed the traveling and camping aspect of 4x4 travel since reading of the Turtle I in the early 70’s. The build-up of Turtle V and Earthroamer and have given us new information along with the European vehicles we can now see on the internet. I was clear with Mike that I am not a buyer, just someone who has the same interest.

Mike’s Global Expedition Vehicle is truly amazing, both camper and Unimog U500. His design has the emphasis on global travel, not just North America, and has dictated his choice of vehicle, capacities and systems. The Unimog capabilities are well known but the interior/exterior design, construction, and fit really catch your eye when seen up close. Mike’s camper is top notch using composite walls and built by a truck body manufacturer. It is attached to a sub frame and has the 3-point attachment to the Unimog frame, tilting member at the rear. The camper components are first-rate marine grade and are what you would expect on this type of vehicle. Some of the unique features are a 12-volt Dometic refrigerator and a completely separate 12v freezer located in a pull out drawer. The heating system is plumbed through a diesel boiler so there are multiple ways of heating the camper, heating hot water, and preheating engine coolant. Mike mentioned over 50,000btu/hr for heating capability. The camper air conditioning is unique with around 32,000btu/hr cooling capacity. 36,000btu/hr would be 3 tons of cooling, which is what some houses have. The auxiliary power unit, not just a generator, is also unique with a liquid cooled 3-cylinder diesel engine driving two alternators and the camper air conditioning compressor all through belt drives. Again, Mike’s emphasis is on global so the electrical system has both 110volt and 230-volt capabilities. Mike’s website, www.globalxvehicles.com, also has a discussion on diesel truck engines made in the US designed for ultra low sulphur diesel and traveling outside the US.

For the test ride, my first ride in a Unimog, included paved road, a dirt construction site and a short run on a four-lane highway. The truck really moves faster than I expected and it did get up to 70 mph. Saying the brakes are capable of stopping it quite quickly is a complete understatement. Looking down from the cab at the road is different for someone who is used to looking over the hood of a truck. At the construction site, Mike made a quick turn and I thought he was going to demonstrate the 32 ft. turning radius. Instead, he stopped at the bottom of a loosely packed embankment, flipped some switches and then drove straight up the embankment. The embankment seemed to be about 45 degrees, maybe a little less. While on the highway, I also noticed that you are actually high enough to look down into the cab of an 18-wheeler.

From previous posts, there have been questions about the weight of this vehicle. To set this issue to rest, Mike pulled a weigh bill from his file that showed the weight at just under 22,000lbs.

If you are seriously looking for an expedition vehicle like Earthroamer or Unicat then you should definitely make the trip to visit Mike. For such a serious dollar investment, the cost of the trip would seem to be cheap.

Thank you Mike.
 

boblynch

Adventurer
Greg thanks for the first hand account. These vehicles are impressive enough online, but it's always good to get up close and personal feedback. Glad Mike was able to let you kick the tires.
 

Christophe Noel

Expedition Leader
I can wrap my brain around the $300k price tag, but the 8mpg thing has me dizzy. By my calculations, a trip to say Alaska and back would cost no less than $4500 in just fuel. Wow.
 
What kind of fuel economy does a "more typical" camper vehicle get? Say, a 25' class C motorhome built on an E450 chassis w/V10 and automatic, or a Dodge Hemi 4X4 pickup w/automatic and cabover camper? The same, or worse.
Carrying 1/3 to 1/2 the weight, far inferior capabilities, neither worth very much offroad unless the Dodge is a Power Wagon with a popup camper.

Charlie
 

jcbrandon

Explorer
I average just under 14 miles per gallon in my 2007 Power Wagon, empty. I figure a 2,000 pound payload would quickly bring that down to about 9 or 10 mpg, or less. So 8mpg on an offroad motorhome sounds pretty good.

By the way, the Power Wagon owner's manual specifically says no slide-in campers.
 

kcowyo

ExPo Original
jcbrandon said:
By the way, the Power Wagon owner's manual specifically says no slide-in campers.

Any idea why? Other than the stock height of a PW, (making it more difficult to get under a camper) it seems a perfect base vehicle for a hardy slide-in unit.
 

jcbrandon

Explorer
My best guess is that lawyers got involved. The Power Wagon is significantly taller than a regular Dodge Ram Heavy Duty. A high center of gravity increases risk of lawsuits.

There is strong evidence of this fear in the other features of the truck. The front and rear electric lockers will only engage when you are in low range. And the electric front swaybar disconnect automatically re-connects at 18 miles per hour. Also, the navigation system has some features disabled while the truck is moving.
 

Bajaroad

Adventurer
Truck w/ camper mpg

charlieaarons said:
What kind of fuel economy does a "more typical" camper vehicle get? Say, a 25' class C motorhome built on an E450 chassis w/V10 and automatic, or a Dodge Hemi 4X4 pickup w/automatic and cabover camper? The same, or worse.
Carrying 1/3 to 1/2 the weight, far inferior capabilities, neither worth very much offroad unless the Dodge is a Power Wagon with a popup camper.

Charlie

Maybe true for gasoline trucks, but that's going 75mph, not 55mph.

My '96 Dodge 3500 Dually-Cummins w/ 11' fully loaded Lance got 13-16mpg. Since it had the low gear option, it did better on slow twisty mountain roads at 50mph than on the freeway at 65. The newer electronic Cummins do better.

My '77 Bluebird Wanderlodge Bus averages 9-10mpg on the freeway.
 

Lynn

Expedition Leader
So Greg showed up here, plugged GEV, and hasn't had anything else to say? (posts = 1)

I think that's spelled S P A M.

Or maybe he's just the quiet type...
 

Greg

Observer
Lynn,

Yes, sometimes I am the quiet type, however the discussion lost me when it turned to Dodge and gas mileage. Mike Van Pelt did tell me what he was getting for gas mileage with the Unimog and it was respectable. I would prefer he comment on that.

From my point of view if you had enough money to buy a vehicle of this type you also have to have the time, meaning months, available to use it. You'd be independently wealthy and the price of diesel would not be a big concern. I am not in that position.

Also, as someone from the truck camper crowd pointed out, diesel in Mexico is cheap comparatively. Venezuela is very probably cheaper.

My own thoughts on a vehicle are more basic. To me, just getting up off the ground and being protected from wind in rain is great. Having hard sides around me gives me a little warning time. Water carrying capacity is important along with refrigeration for food. Off-road capability is good. I would deal with extreme cold differently and the cabin needs to be aired out quickly. My own rule is to not go camping in weather so bad the truck won't start or I get it stuck.
 

t0mills

Adventurer
I'd like to visit that place, but i'm afraid those mog's are a little out of my price range... :D


It is only an hour's drive from my house.


-Tim
 

Lynn

Expedition Leader
Greg said:
Lynn,

Yes, sometimes I am the quiet type...

My apologies, then. I made the mistake of assuming that someone with only one post on the site, reviewing a particular product, may be just a marketing attempt. No offence intended.

Greg said:
My own thoughts on a vehicle are more basic. To me, just getting up off the ground and being protected from wind in rain is great. Having hard sides around me gives me a little warning time. Water carrying capacity is important along with refrigeration for food. Off-road capability is good. I would deal with extreme cold differently and the cabin needs to be aired out quickly. My own rule is to not go camping in weather so bad the truck won't start or I get it stuck.

Sounds like we have a similar perspective. I currently don't have a camping vehicle, but use this site to dream and 'design' for the future. What are you using or planning?

Lynn
 
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Greg

Observer
Lynn,

Gas prices seem to be changing how people are doing things. Changing their dreams.

My wife would like me to put a fourwheelcamper on my Dakota 4x4. I'd put my Ural Patrol motorcycle on a small trailer and go. This set-up has some advantages but doesn't appear to handle rain or cold that well.

I had been thinking of switching to a full sized, long bed 3/4 ton 4x4 and building my own camper. I don't care much for built-ins and would keep the back so it could quickly change from sleeping to eating and cooking to getting cleaned-up. The camper would have full stand-up interior height with a 4ft overcab extension. It would be 7ft wide but only come down to the top of the truck bed. The last camper I built was 7ft wide but only 4ft above the top of the truck bed and not much of an overcab extension. What is nice is having the truck bed and not caring if that area gets wet or muddy.

As most camper designs fail not through the walls, but at the corners and where the walls meet the roof, the roof would be special made one piece diamond plate aluminum, about .080 - .090 thick. Roof penetrations would be surrounded by 2x2 aluminum tube seal welded to the roof.

I've used a Kifaru.net 8 man tipi with a small lightweight stainless wood stove since about 2000. I'd make sure the stove was usable in the camper (see installation photos at marinestove.com).

These are some of my thoughts on this.
 

Steve_in_29

New member
kcowyo said:
Any idea why? Other than the stock height of a PW, (making it more difficult to get under a camper) it seems a perfect base vehicle for a hardy slide-in unit.
A fellow Outfitter owner was talked into a Power Wagon by the dealership (he had gone in to purchase a 3500 SRW) and long story short, the dealership ended up giving him all his money back and taking the PW back in trade for a 3500 like he originally wanted, due to the trucks total unsuitability for use with a TC. The factory lift springs give the PW less cargo load capacity and contribute to appreciable sway when off-roading (even with air bags) making the truck useless for all but the smallest TCs. A smaller FWC "might" work.
 
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theMec

Adventurer
FWIW, my dodge cummins SRW short bed 4x4s came w/ a slip of paper in the glove compartment that says no truck campers. Of course, you see campers on them all the time :) This was discussed on the dodge diesel truck resource forum and decided it was probably a lawyer influenced decision.

I don't know about the long beds or duallies because I don't have one.
 

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