What will happen sooner... a Ford Gas vs Diesel dilema

[cobro92]

RE: Tremor. I think it’s a pretty nice “turn key” package, personally. If I got a F250, I’d for sure get the Supercrew, shortbed. And I’m guessing that’s a pretty popular configuration as that’s what they offer the tremor package in.
Wheels and tires, which I typically switch out anyway, are $2k. Lift, $1k. Front LSD (which for what I do, that is plenty), “Raptor steps”, diff vents (which are cheap and easy but still), etc. I would probably get this package. For the places I go, it’d be more than enough.

Having said that, I haven’t ridden in one and maybe I may change my tune once I get it on dirt. There are miles and miles of open, high speed, washboard roads out here and I’d love suspension package that would accommodate.

I agree it’s nice if you don’t plan on modifying anything. Right off the dealer lot it’s pretty capable. But montypower is also correct. Unless you were planning to get a higher trim, it makes sense to just buy an XL and upgrade from there. For the cost of an XLT Tremor you can get a pretty tricked out XL.

Besides a whole bunch of chrome, doesn’t seem like XLT is worth it. Heated seats can cheaply be added in the aftermarket.


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[Deleted member 9101]

Yes I think the 7.3 will actually be a pretty popular crate engine for this reason. It’s really tuneable and can pretty easily be cranked up to 700hp with little modification.

I have a couple of buddies that can't wait for them to hit the "you pull it" yards.

 

[ScottPC]

Seriously? Off road modes? This is a massive gimmick. It's just using traction control to modulate the brakes. I'll take a real locking diff or even a TrueTrac (gear style limited slip) any day. Traction control has massive limitations. But maybe it's worth the extra money for some.

I can appreciate getting more off road goodies from the factory. While the suspension is probably better on the Tremor... there are plenty of people ripping it out for Carli (so that has to tell you something). Realistically, the suspension will need to be reworked on any truck for camper duty if off road performance is important.

I'm glad Ford is offering the package. I just don't see the value. Now... if they offered 37s, real front locker and more lift/clearance with shorter wheelbase option... that would be interesting. To me, it is mostly for flash and less function.

Also... it makes no sense to make the wheelbase difference a percentage. Go drive both wheelbases. Try parking them. Try driving around or over any obstacle. There is a reason the Power Wagon is 150" and not 160". We tried the 160" WB. And sold the truck with 3k miles on it.

While off topic, the point about wheel base with a full size truck... where does it end? None are ideal. A regular cab short bed will be better than both a reg cab LB, a super cab short bed and all of the combinations. So at some point you have to accept that whatever wheel base you decide, there will be something better on some trails and your configuration will be better in other types of terrain. If the configuration provides other important benefits then the tradeoffs may be worth it. It just depends on the use case.

The real question on the Tremor is whether the "trail control" and "rock crawl" modes are useful or just gimmick as you suggest as those aren't available except on the Tremor. Otherwise, you can build or in my case pay a shop to build a non-Tremor truck that will be better but will also cost more or you can have a mostly stock truck that will be really good but not the best. It's pretty similar to building out a sport jeep or buying the Rubicon. Rock crawlers will likely want to build it and overlanders would be content with most of the Rubicon's capability. Keeping things as close to stock has lots of merits too especially when it comes to reliability for long distance travel, warranties, and potentially insurance. All of this would be moot if Ford simply offered the Tremor package and larger fuel tanks for all cab types and bed lengths

 

[Explorerinil]

Seriously? Off road modes? This is a massive gimmick. It's just using traction control to modulate the brakes. I'll take a real locking diff or even a TrueTrac (gear style limited slip) any day. Traction control has massive limitations. But maybe it's worth the extra money for some.

I can appreciate getting more off road goodies from the factory. While the suspension is probably better on the Tremor... there are plenty of people ripping it out for Carli (so that has to tell you something). Realistically, the suspension will need to be reworked on any truck for camper duty if off road performance is important.

I'm glad Ford is offering the package. I just don't see the value. Now... if they offered 37s, real front locker and more lift/clearance with shorter wheelbase option... that would be interesting. To me, it is mostly for flash and less function.

Also... it makes no sense to make the wheelbase difference a percentage. Go drive both wheelbases. Try parking them. Try driving around or over any obstacle. There is a reason the Power Wagon is 150" and not 160". We tried the 160" WB. And sold the truck with 3k miles on it.

Having driven ford trucks with different drive mods, I can attest it’s not a gimmick, they work. Ford did their homework on the tuning.

 

[Deleted member 9101]

Seriously? Off road modes? This is a massive gimmick. It's just using traction control to modulate the brakes.

L M A O. The driving modes go well beyond "just using traction control to modulate the brakes." Anyone who has actually driven one knows that ;-)

 

[plumber mike]

L M A O. The driving modes go well beyond "just using traction control to modulate the brakes." Anyone who has actually driven one knows that ;-)

Other than eat brakes, change shift points and line pressure, what else can it do?
Any use of braking modulation is going to accelerate pad wear beyond what I find reasonable.

The XL package is the only package that avoids computer controlled braking, making it the top of the line for me.

The 48 gallon tank is seriously long. I don't see it fitting a shorter chassis at all. The 7.3 is a thirsty one.

 

[Deleted member 9101]

Other than eat brakes, change shift points and line pressure, what else can it do?
Any use of braking modulation is going to accelerate pad wear beyond what I find reasonable.

The XL package is the only package that avoids computer controlled braking, making it the top of the line for me.

The 48 gallon tank is seriously long. I don't see it fitting a shorter chassis at all. The 7.3 is a thirsty one.

- Tip in for throttle response
- Timing advance/retardation
- Changes the torque converter lock up
- Adjust the adaptive steering if equipped
- Adjust fuel trim
- A host of other things that slip my mind at the moment



Also... The additional wear on the brakes is minimal, if its even noticable.

 

[phsycle]

Doesn’t the XL also come with Selec Trac, AEB, and Hill Descent? Not sure on that, but most base models seem to come with basic traction/braking control systems.

 

[Deleted member 9101]

Doesn’t the XL also come with Selec Trac, AEB, and Hill Descent? Not sure on that, but most base models seem to come with basic traction/braking control systems.

My STX has traction control and it works really well.

 

[plumber mike]

My STX has traction control and it works really well.

Aren’t you in Florida?
In the snow, the traction control fights to steal momentum. It works great in several scenarios, but trying to maintain momentum in low traction situations is not one of them.

 

[Deleted member 9101]

Aren’t you in Florida?
In the snow, the traction control fights to steal momentum. It works great in several scenarios, but trying to maintain momentum in low traction situations is not one of them.

Yea... I am in Florida... What does that have to do with anything?

My truck does well for a 2wd in the snow. It also does well on roads with inches of standing water, beach sand, and slimy boat ramps. I'll take slow and controlled over momentum and a lack of control any day.

 

[plumber mike]

Doesn’t the XL also come with Selec Trac, AEB, and Hill Descent? Not sure on that, but most base models seem to come with basic traction/braking control systems.

Thankfully no on the AEB. The parking sensors in my wife’s Titan will beep for tall grass or branches. My friends truck with AEB gets confused in the same fashion. It’s jarring when it brings the truck to a dead stop because it thought it was a car or a person. I would assume it can be shut off, but I don’t know. I just know that’s not a feature I want. It’s bad enough to forget to turn off traction control. In the right situation, it’s downright dangerous.

 

[Deleted member 9101]

I would assume it can be shut off, but I don’t know. I just know that’s not a feature I want.

It's usually very easy to turn off.

 

[Deleted member 9101]

It’s bad enough to forget to turn off traction control. In the right situation, it’s downright dangerous.

I'll bite.... Please name one?

 

[plumber mike]

Yea... I am in Florida... What does that have to do with anything?

My truck does well for a 2wd in the snow. It also does well on roads with inches of standing water, beach sand, and slimy boat ramps. I'll take slow and controlled over momentum and a lack of control any day.

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I wouldn’t call it a lack of control. It’s really just operating outside of the computer parameters.....which is sometimes beneficial or necessary.

I'll bite.... Please name one?

Uphill in snow with a grade steep enough that stopping on the hill is not safe or practical. For us, that is most driveways of cabins we service near the ski area. But we also see plenty stuck on the road heading up to the ski area. Tires with less traction will have a traction control system that is far more intrusive, causing issues even earlier.