What's with the Toyota trolls in the Land Rover forum?

[Roverhound]

So let me ask this. How many posts do you have in the Toyota forums by Land Rover owners telling people to dump the rising sun?

 

[R_Lefebvre]

Search, noob! :victory:

You need to get a thicker skin. :wings:

 

[Roverhound]

Search, noob! :victory:

You need to get a thicker skin. :wings:

Coming from you that's a joke.
Got any more fuzzy unreadable pictures of your "degrees"?

 

[Yudda]

Cant we all just get along !

Funny this coming from a guy living in Israel. We havent been able to get along with each other ....since Moses pointed and said " that away ! "

Lets not even talk about getting along with Israels neighbors to the North, East and South.

I own a Defender 110....its been super reliable since ive owned it.
Not that my truck is new..... its a '97 !



BUT.....

If i could afford owning 2 trucks it would be a FJ ...NO DOUBT !

(FYI: a FJ costs around 70,000 US here)



Bottom line.....Buy what ever truck makes you happy. My Defender makes me smile everytime i look at.
It reminds me of my baby boy at home.....When he acts up you stop him and teach him right from wrong...BUT on the inside i smile and say to myself......THATS MY BOY !

Crazy... i know.....but most Landie drivers are !

Take care everyone,
Rob

 

[upcruiser]

Coming from you that's a joke.
Got any more fuzzy unreadable pictures of your "degrees"?

Ironic that your thread title is about trolls. Obviously his comment was tongue in cheek.

Seems there have been more and more personal attacks on ExPo lately. Good god people, we are talking about vehicle brands, not your first born. Does anyone else find the whole my vehicle is superior to your vehicle tact completely childish? As it has been said before, over and over before, if your choice strikes a chord with you great! It may not for everyone else. I am all for diversity. Personally I think it would suck if everyone drove identical white Discoveries, or 80 series, or whatever. Give it up for diversity, and being open minded for that matter.

This is after all a hobby, and a fun one at that. Don't forget to have fun and I think alot of people could take the attitude down a few notches.

 

[Scott Brady]

This is after all a hobby, and a fun one at that. Don't forget to have fun and I think alot of people could take the attitude down a few notches.

Honestly Kristian, I am convinced that all of the posturing on this forum and others is done by those without any real travel or driving experience. Even a simple study of any of those guys reveals they rarely (if ever) leave their own zip code. I have never met a well-travel individual or an expert driver that rags on others vehicle choices or their equipment . All of the critics are keyboard jockeys with their shiny (and perfectly clean and fashionable) vehicles parked in their driveways.

Experience makes a man humble, as he realizes that despite how much he has learned, he knows very little.

 

[ntsqd]

I'm a prime example of the "did a new posts search & not looking at what sub forum the post is in" that BK described. It is exactly how I landed in this thread.

I own 2 VW's (1 air cooled), 1 Chevy (that I'd really like to see go to a home that would use it more than I do), and 4 Toyotas (1 soon to be GM powered, I'm sure the Yota purists are weeping too). I didn't start out to own Toyotas, I bleed Ford blue. Notice what brand is completely lacking in my 'inventory'?

I don't really care what you drive so long as you do drive it. I might cringe at the thought of someone going out and about in a Yugo, but if that's what they want to do then more power to them. Folks that get uppity about their brand's superiority earn my ire. There is no superior brand, they ALL - every last one of them, has faults. I feel that one of the goals of an informational sharing resource like Expo is to be able to identify those faults and share or collaborate on solutions. If that means using parts from some other brand, then so be it.

I learn from most everyone, regardless of what brand they drive. I most often remove brand labels and badges anyway. So I do not see it as "trolling", I see it as "cross-pollination."

As Joaquin Suave posted a while back, "More wag, less bark." That is my belated New Year's Resolution.

 

[teotwaki]

Okay, I am a Toyota owner so stop reading if that bothers you. :sombrero:
I also have a Ford Bronco, so stop reading if THAT bothers you..... :smiley_drive:

Anyhow, one thing I've learned here is that no matter what you call a section of the forum, anybody has a right to post in it any totally unrelated accusation or falsehood, whether you started a trip report with flower pictures or a technical writeup. It has to degenerate into a nasty series of a thousand posts before it gets cleaned up and has lead me to never finish some trip reports.

Second, the LandRover area of the Portal is the only place where I've felt "put off" just because I did not own a Land Rover so in my opinion that just invites ill feelings and bashing from other marque's loyalists. Geez, just look at the title of this thread. It is impolite to say the least and simply causes you more trouble. What were you thinking?

 

[upcruiser]

Honestly Kristian, I am convinced that all of the posturing on this forum and others is done by those without any real travel or driving experience. Even a simple study of any of those guys reveals they rarely (if ever) leave their own zip code. I have never met a well-travel individual or an expert driver that rags on others vehicle choices or their equipment . All of the critics are keyboard jockeys with their shiny (and perfectly clean and fashionable) vehicles parked in their driveways.

Experience makes a man humble, as he realizes that despite how much he has learned, he knows very little.

That was very well stated and I agree 100% I had wanted to post something similar to that on several previous occasions but stopped myself for fear of instigating some sort of downward spiraling, negative dialogue. It makes me wonder how many other people bite their tongues for similar reasons.

 

[agavelvr]

Honestly Kristian, I am convinced that all of the posturing on this forum and others is done by those without any real travel or driving experience. Even a simple study of any of those guys reveals they rarely (if ever) leave their own zip code. I have never met a well-travel individual or an expert driver that rags on others vehicle choices or their equipment . All of the critics are keyboard jockeys with their shiny (and perfectly clean and fashionable) vehicles parked in their driveways.

Experience makes a man humble, as he realizes that despite how much he has learned, he knows very little.

That's the truth. Unfortunately, it's not limited to the keyboard. I went to a cruiser meeting a while back to learn a little about those fine vehicles since I had never owned one. I had recently sold my Defender and showed up in my stock tacoma. I was simultaneously congratulated for getting rid of the rover and blasted for buying the taco. In those guys’ minds, I would spend more money kitting my taco for less performance, compared to their cruisers. I found it to be very entertaining since none of those who blasted me for my choices had any experience other than the occasional day trip around PHX. More importantly, they did not bother getting to know what I intended on doing with my truck and where I planned on going. I guess they assumed I would be rock crawling on the weekend up in Florence Junction based on the discussion of axles and tire size.

Fortunately, the guys who actually had enjoyed the benefits of getting away on multiday or longer trips offered some great advice and fantastic discussion as to why they chose cruisers. Eventually the discussion drifted from vehicle choices to interesting places we had each been. That's what it is all about for me, the places I go - not so much what I drive to get there. Though it is cool to learn detailed info from model enthusiasts and see their creations.

Still, I find it fascinating that so many people get fixated on the vehicle you choose to drive and the image they project onto you. Take for instance my travels along the AZ/Mexico border. Rolling in the Defender along the Camino del Diablo was a great conversation starter with the border patrol. Agents would stop and chat, a few getting out of their rigs to check it out and letting me do the same. I think they thought I was a well seasoned explorer, when in reality, I'm just a dude out for a little adventure. This past year, traveling within the same enforcement zone (Ajo Station) the Taco earned me a 4 vehicle intercept courtesy of the boys in green, hands on their guns. Lots of questions and searching. After a ten minute shake down, they figured we were legit, but then the conversation shifted to our preparedness. Seems that driving a stock taco labeled us as smugglers or lost tourists. I was told drug runners prefer Nissan & Toyota to Land Rover, which I'm sure has more to do with cost than performance or reliability :sombrero:

So, don't let the trolls get you down and learn to use the block feature. I like to broaden my horizons by owning a bunch of different trucks and visiting new places. Bottom line, it doesn't matter what you drive, just as long as you enjoy getting to wherever you are.

 

[Antichrist]

When I first got my license I was driving a Travelall, but it wasn't 4WD. When I started looking for a 4WD I went down to the Jeep dealer and looked at the CJ5's. The Renegade had just been released and I thought it was pretty cool. Then I started looking at the J20 pickups. About that time I moved to Virginia and decided I really liked the Travelall so thought maybe an IH 4WD 200 1-ton pickup would do the trick. But the $4500 price tag was just too steep for me. Started looking at FJ40's but then found a '62 88 for $750. Been driving Land Rovers ever since. When I was in my teens/early twenties I used to get steamed when people said, "Nice Jeep", but then realized life was too short.
Since then I honestly don't care what people drive, and I don't care that they may care what I drive.
Except maybe people who drive Freelanders

When people ask me what it's like to own a Land Rover, I still say the same thing I said over 30 years ago, "You need to have a good sense of humor."

 

[Christian P.]

Honestly Kristian, I am convinced that all of the posturing on this forum and others is done by those without any real travel or driving experience. Even a simple study of any of those guys reveals they rarely (if ever) leave their own zip code. I have never met a well-travel individual or an expert driver that rags on others vehicle choices or their equipment . All of the critics are keyboard jockeys with their shiny (and perfectly clean and fashionable) vehicles parked in their driveways.

Experience makes a man humble, as he realizes that despite how much he has learned, he knows very little.

Scott, may I say that I totally agree with you!

I don't think I recall having had one single discussion during my entire African trip about Land Rover versus Land Cruiser.
Yes we did have a blast with the Irish guys and their daily occurrence of problems but it was all in good fun. It made the trip even better.

May I add that overall, the travelers that were the nicest and more fun to hang out with were generally the ones the least preoccupied by their vehicle.

 

[Christian P.]

That was very well stated and I agree 100% I had wanted to post something similar to that on several previous occasions but stopped myself for fear of instigating some sort of downward spiraling, negative dialogue. It makes me wonder how many other people bite their tongues for similar reasons.

Count me in.

 

[R_Lefebvre]

I don't think I recall having had one single discussion during my entire African trip about Land Rover versus Land Cruiser.
Yes we did have a blast with the Irish guys and their daily occurrence of problems but it was all in good fun. It made the trip even better.

Same deal with dirtbikes. Tons of brand bashing on the forums, but nobody has time at the races. Sure, we all point and laugh at the KTM's breaking down all the time, but it's all in good fun! :coffeedrink:

 

[SCRover]

When I was in my teens/early twenties I used to get steamed when people said, "Nice Jeep", but then realized life was too short.
Since then I honestly don't care what people drive, and I don't care that they may care what I drive.
Except maybe people who drive Freelanders

When people ask me what it's like to own a Land Rover, I still say the same thing I said over 30 years ago, "You need to have a good sense of humor."

Same experience for me. Used to be bugged when people would stop me and ask about my "Jeep" (either my 109 or my NAS110). Would often enlighten them as to the actual brand. It then occurred to me that by correcting them, I was only setting an example for the type of person an LR owner is. And given the perception most folks have of those who drive rovers, especially late model LR3s, RRS's and RRs, I figured it was rather foolish. Now, I appreciate that they find the vehicle I'm driving interesting and worth discussing. Much better experience all the way around.

And I own 4 vehicles - 2 rovers and 2 yotas.

Frankly, Scott's comments are spot on. The least critical are those who have done the most... usually.