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[ThundahBeagle]

That is a fact, but it’s an outlier amongst EVs.

My truck is 6080 lb.

Another example of “this is a real thing, but there’s huge variation and the difference may not be as big as commonly believed.”

If you’re comparing a work truck, non-hybrid half-ton to a Silverado EV with the biggest battery, the difference is really big.

If you’re comparing a hybrid F150 (closest in power and efficiency) to a Lightning SR, the difference may be more like ~500 lb, about 10% more.

So, the blanket “EVs weigh twice as much as ICE” is an extreme overgeneralization. (You didn’t say this, but I see it frequently, which is why I used it as an example that you responded to)

“EVs typically weigh more, with 10-30% being a common range of added weight for comparable vehicles” would be a way more accurate statement, but it’s not inflammatory or as easy to remember, so it’s not as easily spread.

You state these things are not factual but merely perception, and then someone shows you a fact, and you have to back off your statement then double down on it using other factors not present in the original argument.

And nobody is talking about the hybrid vs full electric, you are muddying the waters when you bring that into the equation as you know very well people here have been comparing EV to ICE.

My truck is no outlier, sir. It is a 10 year old GMC Sierra 1500 (half-ton) v8 double cab (extra cab, not crew), curb weight 4387-5400lbs

Chevy SilvErado Work Truck, which seems anything but. Only comes crew cab, with a B.S. Avalanche style indoor-outdoor bed (I like the Avalanche, but it's not a good tradesman work truck) with a curb weight of 8500 lbs, sail panels that prevent typical tool box installation and bare bones interior (the only aspect of the work truck that fits here) for $74k MSRP.

I am sure that if you saw a 5 foot tall - or even 5 and a half foot tall - person standing next to a 9 foot tall person, you'd exclaim "wow, you are twice as tall as they are!"

 

[crazysccrmd]

I am sure that if you saw a 5 foot tall - or even 5 and a half foot tall - person standing next to a 9 foot tall person, you'd exclaim "wow, you are twice as tall as they are!"

The blanket statements people about EV weight are the problem. It’s the difference between saying “some basketball players are super tall” versus “basketball players are twice as tall as normal people”. On the extreme side like the Silverado it’s almost true but in general it’s a few hundred pounds extra for an EV sedan. A Tesla 3 is about 400lbs heavier than a comparable Camry.

 

[3laine]

You state these things are not factual but merely perception, and then someone shows you a fact, and you have to back off your statement then double down on it using other factors not present in the original argument.

Nope. I don’t have to back off my point. Overgeneralizing outliers or old info as typical of EVs shows the problem of perception vs fact.

My point has been the same all along: people should make specific pro/con comparisons considering their use case and specific vehicles and not listen to broad (and often erroneous/exaggerated) generalizations about EVs.

And nobody is talking about the hybrid vs full electric, you are muddying the waters when you bring that into the equation as you know very well people here have been comparing EV to ICE.

Tons of people compare the Powerboost F150 to the Lightning. It’s probably the most common cross-shopping comparison question amongst potential Lightning buyers. And it’s one end of the weight difference spectrum.

On one end, we have a 10% weight difference. On the other, we have almost double.

With that as the range, a GENERAL perception/claim of “EVs weigh twice as much as ICE” is nonsense.

I am sure that if you saw a 5 foot tall - or even 5 and a half foot tall - person standing next to a 9 foot tall person, you'd exclaim "wow, you are twice as tall as they are!"

In a very specific example comparing two specific people, maybe.

But if is was, for instance, Shaq and Simone Biles, and based on one example, I make a blanket perception/claim that “men are twice as tall as women” then that’s incorrect, because *reality* is that most of the time, men are 10% taller than women and in rare occasions they’re almost double.

 

[ThundahBeagle]

Maybe so, for the 3 vs Camry, but clearly almost everyone here in this thread is talking mostly trucks and SUV's...saying EV trucks are "twice as heavy" as my truck or an ICE F-150 vs Lighting, Rivian R1T, or Cybertruck and I'm only about 10% to 15% off my "blanket" statement. Still a passing grade and not way off.

 

[3laine]

Maybe so, for the 3 vs Camry, but clearly almost everyone here in this thread is talking mostly trucks and SUV's...

The original example claim of “EVs weigh twice as much as ICE” was by me, and it was general, not truck specific. And trucks are basically the only time they ever come close. Cars are generally even closer in weight because they don’t put 200+ kWh batteries in them. EVs weighing twice as much as comparable ICE vehicles is limited to just a couple EV models. Most are nowhere close to double. It’s very inaccurate as a general claim.

saying EV trucks are "twice as heavy" as my truck or an ICE F-150 vs Lighting, Rivian R1T, or Cybertruck and I'm only about 10% to 15% off my "blanket" statement. Still a passing grade and not way off.

Not correct.

You claimed your truck (which isn’t even a quad cab like all these) weighs between 4387 and 5400lb. Even if we pick the smallest number, double would be 8774 lb.

Lightning is 6080 lb - 6855 lb (36-56% more)

R1T now starts at ~6500 lb. Other places say ~7150 lb (probably before weight savings of the current version) (48-63% more)

Cybertruck is 6600-6900 lb (50-57% more)

So even assuming JUST trucks AND the lightest number of the weight range for a ten year old truck, AND a truck that isn’t even the same cab configuration, the 3 most common EV trucks (that you specifically chose) are nowhere near double the weight.

Using modern truck numbers for more similar trucks (Ford went into great detail in their 2021 tech specs for F150), and the absolute lightest Crew Cab 4x4 was 4,700lb. That makes these trucks even FURTHER from double, which would be 9,400lb. Only the Hummer is about that heavy and it’s a 1,000hp monstrosity not really comparable to a normal truck at all, except maybe a TRX or Raptor R or something (which weigh ~6,000-6,400 lb).

“EVs weigh twice as much as an ICE truck” is just not a remotely accurate general claim, even if we limit it to trucks and use the lightest, weakest, least-featured version of a modern F150 with the same cab/drive configuration.

 

[AbleGuy]

This thread seems to be a lot of…

 

[ThundahBeagle]

Or, the same, but effing a football. Parsed out some good, real info, though.