Why are other full size SUV's not used in overlanding/offroading as often as Forerunner/Landcruiser?

[Overlandtowater]

As I Toyota person, I love my suburban...but I cant say I would turn down a LC100 for it.

 

[phsycle]

Dunno how is goes nowdays, but years past in USA, alot of government agencies required to use american made vehicles. Obviously, its blurred nowdays with offshore owned companies making cars in USA, but I suppose the sentiment remains.

I’ve seen variety of makes in the last 20 years. Mostly the Big 3, but Toyota’s get mixed in more than I had thought. When the 2nd gen Taco’s came out, the local sheriff and FS used them, which I thought was cool.

 

[phsycle]

I get having an issue with people who want to look like something they're not, but I can't wrap my head around getting so worked up over a word.

Overland. Overland. Overland.

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Oh sh...

Like I said, personal issues. And it goes beyond that. Gag reflex kicks in whenever I hear Ovlnd, tactical, mil-grade, vanlife, j-spec, JDM, vtec, al-qaeda, trump.....

 

[iLikeDonuts]

Like I said, personal issues. And it goes beyond that. Gag reflex kicks in whenever I hear Ovlnd, tactical, mil-grade, vanlife, j-spec, JDM, vtec, al-qaeda, trump.....

Huh, so I guess you don't want to hear about my overland Dodge Sprinter with the JDM swap dohc twin turbo vtec (yo), upgraded tactical carpet, and comes with mil-spec Molly (I didn't misspell molle, her names Molly and she was in the army).


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Sorry, I couldn't figure out how to get j-spec in there naturally.

 

[Paddler Ed]

Ford Transit Motorhome (I think): $5000

That's an old Peugeot/Citroen/Fiat van rather than a Transit - think the ancestor of the Ram ProMaster

 

[TwinDuro]

I’ve complied a list of word(s)/non-words that I think could be suitable replacements to Overlanding... ?

(cough cough)

-LowPressurePneumaticTyreBushFaring
-DirtSchlepping
-ContstantVelocityTraversing (IFS/IRS folks)
-NonConstantVelocityTraversing (strait axle folks)
-PortalPeregrination (portal axle folks)
-JeepJuanting
-Ferding (not to be confused with fording)
-ChevyConveying
-MoparMobilization
-MercedesMarching (See AMGambulatory)
-ToyotaTransmigration
-IzuzuImpelling
-SuzukiSafaring
-NissanPatroling
-PinzgauerPilgrimmaging
-DiahatsuDrifting
-HoldenHiking
-TarmacTransgressing
-NonMacadamMeandering
-LanewayLoosing
-MudMigrating
-Humveevegabonding

....and I’m spent. ?

 

[iLikeDonuts]

I like the term overlanding so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I'd much rather see someone rolling around with some lightly used camping gear than the guys who have a 6" lift on their never been used for a real day of work in its life Ram 2500 rolling on 22's with an obscene -200mm offset and low profile tires. Also these things can't tow anything because they're so tall, and there's usually one dude up front in a full size double cab 6.4l v8...

Not trying to change anyone's mind, just getting my own gripe out there.

 

[Dalko43]

It really is more than just marketing.

As one example:
The 4runner/GX460 is a body-on-frame SUV w/ 1.5k lbs of payload (similar to many 1/2 tons) and built on the LandCruiser Prado chassis...a SUV that gets overloaded and overworked in far more arduous conditions than what the typical family hauler SUV or pickup experiences here in North America. Other than the Jeep Wrangler, which is really designed and marketed more as a weekend toy more than anything else, no one makes anything comparable in North America.

Similar concept for the LandCruiser 200 and LX570...arguably a little bit dated at this point, but they are extremely overbuilt SUV's designed for leading long working lives in 3rd world countries. Yes Toyota has a marketing campaign related to these SUV's, but then again so do the North American OEM's with their bread-and-butter 1/2 tons. Compare the level of engineering that goes into a GM suburban or Ford Expedition to what goes into a LC 200...they're both BOF SUV's with solid rear axles, but there is huge difference in design philosophy and intended usage. You sit behind a GM or Ford SUV and you see all the loose brake and fluid lines and the low-hanging shock mounts...it's obvious that there was a different design philosophy for those vehicles compared to something like a LC 200.

So at least part of the reason that Toyota SUV's have more an overland following and aftermarket support is because throughout the rest of the world, they are in fact heavily used for such applications. That same can't be said for the North American SUV's (Expedition, Suburban, ect.).

 

[phsycle]

It really is more than just marketing.

As one example:
The 4runner/GX460 is a body-on-frame SUV w/ 1.5k lbs of payload (similar to many 1/2 tons) and built on the LandCruiser Prado chassis...a SUV that gets overloaded and overworked in far more arduous conditions than what the typical family hauler SUV or pickup experiences here in North America. Other than the Jeep Wrangler, which is really designed and marketed more as a weekend toy more than anything else, no one makes anything comparable in North America.

Similar concept for the LandCruiser 200 and LX570...arguably a little bit dated at this point, but they are extremely overbuilt SUV's designed for leading long working lives in 3rd world countries. Yes Toyota has a marketing campaign related to these SUV's, but then again so do the North American OEM's with their bread-and-butter 1/2 tons. Compare the level of engineering that goes into a GM suburban or Ford Expedition to what goes into a LC 200...they're both BOF SUV's with solid rear axles, but there is huge difference in design philosophy and intended usage. You sit behind a GM or Ford SUV and you see all the loose brake and fluid lines and the low-hanging shock mounts...it's obvious that there was a different design philosophy for those vehicles compared to something like a LC 200.

So at least part of the reason that Toyota SUV's have more an overland following and aftermarket support is because throughout the rest of the world, they are in fact heavily used for such applications. That same can't be said for the North American SUV's (Expedition, Suburban, ect.).

I always wonder why Toyota Lemmings have to bring up what they’re doing in 3rd world countries. Should we also start using their plumbing systems? Cinder blocks instead of lumber for home construction?

Whatever....

Obviously, the domestic makers decided to gear the SUV’s more towards road friendly vehicles, as apparent by the suspension design (IRS), lack of a xfer case, etc. So the truck platform is much more comparable to the Toyota counterparts.

If I were shopping for a large Offroad capable SUV, LC would be it. No domestic SUVs even come close. Maybe a G-wag would be the next closest thing but even that’s a far off comparison. Or perhaps the Infiniti/Nissan Armada. Those are watered down, too.

Truck, no question it’d be a 3/4 or 1 ton. No Toyota comes close.

Overall, if size weren’t an issue, I’d take a Powerwagon or a new Tremor over an LC. More robust, HD, can actually haul decently, and I just like the truck platform for dirtschlepping.

Calling you out again on the payload. I’ve never seen a 4Runner or GX with a 1,500lb payload. Since you have one, post a picture of your door sticker. You’ll be closer to 1k lbs. And even IF it were comparable to a 1/2 ton truck, it would not carry the weight as well with the short wheelbase.
Just facts.

 

[calicamper]

I always wonder why Toyota Lemmings have to bring up what they’re doing in 3rd world countries. Should we also start using their plumbing systems? Cinder blocks instead of lumber for home construction?

Whatever....

Obviously, the domestic makers decided to gear the SUV’s more towards road friendly vehicles, as apparent by the suspension design (IRS), lack of a xfer case, etc. So the truck platform is much more comparable to the Toyota counterparts.

If I were shopping for a large Offroad capable SUV, LC would be it. No domestic SUVs even come close. Maybe a G-wag would be the next closest thing but even that’s a far off comparison. Or perhaps the Infiniti/Nissan Armada. Those are watered down, too.

Truck, no question it’d be a 3/4 or 1 ton. No Toyota comes close.

Overall, if size weren’t an issue, I’d take a Powerwagon or a new Tremor over an LC. More robust, HD, can actually haul decently, and I just like the truck platform for dirtschlepping.

Calling you out again on the payload. I’ve never seen a 4Runner or GX with a 1,500lb payload. Since you have one, post a picture of your door sticker. You’ll be closer to 1k lbs. And even IF it were comparable to a 1/2 ton truck, it would not carry the weight as well with the short wheelbase.
Just facts.

The LC’s that get heavy service use aren’t stock city LCs the J80 in Africa is rare its looked at as the Camry of LCs here the J80 is viewed as the last real J80 lol. My old Subaru had a 940lb useful load rating the new one is over 1000. The 4runners are no where near 1500lbs lol. My J80 wasn’t 1500 thats for sure. My Sequoia was 1100.

Again people don’t realize how quickly the bolt on pack every REI camping item exceeds most vehicle load limits pretty quickly unless your driving an HD truck.

 

[Mericas_Meuth]

My Sequoia was 1100.

Exactly, and gmt800 Tahoe's have a 1750lbs payload. Which is another reason I was wondering why they aren't used more.

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[phsycle]

Exactly, and gmt800 Tahoe's have a 1750lbs payload. Which is another reason I was wondering why they aren't used more.

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I don’t think you see them blinged up on Instagram. But there are plenty used for camping, along with Expeditions. I see them all the time in the backcountry. My neighbors all pull their boats with them too. Got rid of the Sequoia as it couldn’t handle the weight as well. The 3.5 eco pulls it with ease.
My old 4.7 LC sucked at towing even moderate loads. Zero power up hills. Although it was the old 4-sp. But couldn’t believe how it struggled towing 3-4K lbs.

 

[calicamper]

My 2019 heavy tow package 3.73 rear end 4x4 platinum Expedition is stickered at 1465lbs. Its considerably as in exponentially more load capable than a 4 runner and hands down way way way more load capable than my J80.

 

[phsycle]

My 2019 heavy tow package 3.73 rear end 4x4 platinum Expedition is stickered at 1465lbs. Its considerably as in exponentially more load capable than a 4 runner and hands down way way way more load capable than my J80.

For road trippin loaded down to the gills, hauling a big load, and even light trail work, those things are awesome.

 

[calicamper]

For road trippin loaded down to the gills, hauling a big load, and even light trail work, those things are awesome.

Its been surprisingly decent in city use thanks to the 360 camera and tight turning radius