Why are other full size SUV's not used in overlanding/offroading as often as Forerunner/Landcruiser?

MTVR

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...and if you think the Widowmaker's 6:47 Nurburgring lap was something, check out what happens when Porsche removed the restrictions required by the Le Mans rules, from the 919 race car:


Notice that he hits the rev-limiter rather quickly in top gear on the start/finish straight at 369kph (230mph), and just rides it until the end. That lap would have been under five minutes if he had taller gearing.
 
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Buliwyf

Viking with a Hammer
You do understand that there's two separate races going on at Le Mans, right?

The GT cars have specific rules on what parts are from the street cars. Yes that's a real Ford Gt and a Corvette. The GT was designed from the get go to be a street car that has some of those specific parts nearly race spec, giving them a distinct advantage.

Who the f are you, to say Shelby was a con artist. Take a lame AC Ace, put real engine in it, fix the suspension, then sell it as one of the greatest sports cars of all time. That's more than enough work to put your brand label on the cars. The guy is responsible for producing the two best classic sports cars of all time. Pretty tough feat, even if it was all just sourced vendor parts.

Ford buys a Lotus, puts their engine inside, then does all of the work to get the car working well, and races it. That's more than enough work to put their brand name on the car. Lotus didn't earn those races, and would gladly set you straight on that.

Is a privateer motorcross racer, on a ''bought not built'' bike any less at risk of getting dismembered in a race than a factory pro racer on a handbuilt prototype? Are his wins worth less?

If I start racing with a Superlite SLC chassis, the teams going to Buliwyf Racing inc. You don't get to whine that I'm not a real racer because I didn't work in a Pennsylvania foundry making my own brake rotors. I'm using Roush engines.....so what? Is there a rule that I have to make conrods out of my own bones or something?

Not to mention how Ford's supported CART, F1, and Indy over the years. None of those we're made in Windsor canada, and they never had to be.

Lol.
 
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Grassland

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Are you drunk? Go back and read what I posted...

He may not be, but I'm drunk and loving this thread! Lol

"You don't get to whine that I'm not a real racer because I didn't work in a Pennsylvania foundry making my own brake rotors. I'm using Roush engines.....so what? Is there a rule that I have to make conrods out of my own bones or something?"

Buliwyf your killing me ?
 

MTVR

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Yes that's a real Ford Gt and a Corvette. The GT was designed from the get go to be a street car that has some of those specific parts nearly race spec, giving them a distinct advantage.

You actually believe that?

I challenge you to produce a valid 17-digit VIN for ANY ONE of them.

Ford buys a Lotus, puts their engine inside, then does all of the work to get the car working well, and races it. That's more than enough work to put their brand name on the car. Lotus didn't earn those races, and would gladly set you straight on that.

I said "LOLA", not Lotus. And the Lola Mk6 already had a Ford engine, before Carroll Shelby was ever involved.

If I start racing with a Superlite SLC chassis, the teams going to Buliwyf Racing inc. You don't get to whine that I'm not a real racer...

I've never even heard of any "Buliwyf Racing Inc."...
 
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Buliwyf

Viking with a Hammer
Want a Mach1 that needs some work?

Fuel pumpy, no pumpy, this morning. Poor things sat in a garage too long. Can't sell it to fund a Cobra 427 small block build. But it would fund a Honda CRF450L.......................
 

MTVR

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The Mazda 787B that won Le Mans overall in 1991, with a 2.6-liter normally-aspirated engine that put out 900 horsepower, a HELL of a lot faster than any Ford:


A Ford did finish in 12th place...sort of. It was a British Spice SE90C, powered by a British "Ford" Cosworth DFZ engine. The car, ironically,was driven by three Japanese guys...
 
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38snubby

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A Ford did finish in 12th place...sort of. It was a British Spice SE90C, powered by a British "Ford" Cosworth DFZ engine. The car, ironically,was driven by three Japanese guys...

That is an important point. Ford never designed an F1 engine in house. The engines where always designed and built by Cosworth in England. Any true F1 fan would know that. Also, important to note that Chevy has never built an engine for CART or Indy as those are built and designed in England by Ilmor engineering.

Some real clueless people posting here.
 
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MTVR

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Wow! It’s a great thing I have a highly capable offroad vehicle.

The term "highly capable offroad vehicle" is relative.

My "offroad vehicle" has 53" tall tires, a 58:1 crawl ratio, a GVWR of 62,200 pounds, a 30,000 pound payload capacity, 1,550 pounds of torque, five lockers, and can ford 60" of water, stock.
 
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Buliwyf

Viking with a Hammer
Cosworth has been in bed with Ford forever, what's your point? Cosworth and Illy would have had nothing in CART at all, without.

Do you think Ford and GM make their own parts? Wiring harness, gears, pitman arms, tie rods, etc. etc. Often the same vendor makes parts for a dozen different brands at the same location. Big deal. A ton of parts in a Taco come right off the same line as 'burban parts. Does that mean a Suburban is a Toyota now?
 

ExplorerTom

Explorer
[QUOTE="MTVR, post: 2800166, member: 217004”]

My "offroad vehicle" has 53" tall tires, a 58:1 crawl ratio, a GVWR of 62,200 pounds, a 30,000 pound payload capacity, 1,550 pounds of torque, five lockers, and can ford 60" of water, stock.
[/QUOTE]

Case in point: penis comparison on full display.

Or should we just call you Topper?

And “your” offroad vehicle sounds pretty military. So that would also make it “my” offroad vehicle.
 

MTVR

Well-known member
One of the drivers sustained permanent hearing damage because of that car. No campers got any sleep that year. ?

Yes. I raced a heavily-ported rotary Mazda in a pro class during that era, and I wore earplugs inside my helmet. During unmuffled races, my car loosened nuts and bolts in other cars, and other racers commented that even without mufflers, they couldn't hear their own cars, from INSIDE their own cars, even with open exhausts, when racing against me.

We've done the Nurburgring and the Isle of Man at triple-digit speeds. We've toured Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Pagani, Ducati, MV Agusta, Porsche, and BMW. We'd like to do the Baja 1000 and/or the 24 hours of Le Mans.

The 1971 Paul Newman film "Le Mans" is an epic motorsports film, featuring "The King Of Cool", and no dialogue for over a half hour into the film.

 
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