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[Antichrist]

Linux is fun, but you have to tinker a lot.

Not a lot. And on the upside, when you do want to tinker, you can to your hearts content without some company saying, "Sorry, you're not allowed to do that."

To me MS products are like trying to go overlanding with an Enterprise car rental, where they have a clause that prohibits driving on gravel roads.
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[Pilat]

Most of the folks who don't work in the Entertainment industry probably don't get it. I'm a Windows guy, have been for many years. For what it's worth, at work, all of our editing/coloring systems are Linux based.

We edit on various machines, delivering in various formats, depending on the job - all of them Windows machines. Are you working with animation?

 

[Pilat]

Not a lot. And on the upside, when you do want to tinker, you can to your hearts content without some company saying, "Sorry, you're not allowed to do that."

To me MS products are like trying to go overlanding with an Enterprise car rental, where they have a clause that prohibits driving on gravel roads.
In fact

But when you have to do some heavy haulage on restricted and regulated roads, you better get a vehicle capable of doing that :sombrero:

 

[dstock]

We edit on various machines, delivering in various formats, depending on the job - all of them Windows machines. Are you working with animation?

No, mostly editing, compositing, and DI color correction, 2D and 3D for theatrical presentation.

 

[Pilat]

Oh, I see. Thanks.

 

[Antichrist]

But when you have to do some heavy haulage on restricted and regulated roads, you better get a vehicle capable of doing that :sombrero:

Speaking of restricted and regulated, would you buy a vehicle (not that you actually own any MS software) that as part of the purchase agreement, prohibits you, without written permission from the manufacturer, from publicly stating how it performs?

As for heavy haulage, I would imagine CERN's Large Hadron Collider would count.

 

[Pilat]

Never read anything about MS software or other companies' software running on Windows stating that. And even if they did, I wouldn't care. I would still say what I mean, and I would still have to get a job done, which inevitably means runnning video and editing software and the ability to deliver to a deadline. So, in other words, skipping the analogy, I only care how well I can get a job done and how fast I can get it done compared to others in my line of work and deadlines in general.

Oh, you added the CERN comment.

Yes, supercomputers build specifically for a single purpose can run whatever it was designed to run. But what you might find quite surprising, neither of us would have access to CERN to do our job, and neither of us have the money to have staff continuously checking and keeping the computer running as they do at CERN. The CERN supercomputers use custom designed software for a single purpose. Not really what I want to do in order to edit audio and video.

 

[Antichrist]

Never read anything about MS software or other companies' software running on Windows stating that.

That's ok, most people don't read EULA's. And that's fine if you don't care. But some people do. Some people need to be able to do what they want to do, not what the software company gives them permission to do.

Yes, supercomputers build specifically for a single purpose can run whatever it was designed to run.

Yet you said people who do heavy lifting use windows.
There's a lot of heavy lifting done with other OS's. Just like a lot of people use windows to update their facebook page and do email.
It's fine if you prefer windows, a lot of people do, but don't make up stuff to try to justify using it.

BTW, CERN (which is just one example of many) desktops are running Linux as well.

 

[Airmapper]

BTW, CERN (which is just one example of many) desktops are running Linux as well.

I would assume they also have a team of highly skilled computer nerds who are thoroughly capable of altering the OS to their needs, and staying on top of issues and compatibility concerns.

I would venture a guess that any business big or small using Linux has resources dedicated just for the purpose of catering to the unique issues relating to it's use. At minimum an IT guy who is enthusiastic and knowledgeable on the OS and is pushing it's use.

And then there is the real world. Where the IT department of your sprawling corporation is apathetic and lazy. The mainstream software options used in your field are not fully compatible with anything but Windows, and since management is buying it, and IT is saying they won't babysit it, you get Windows. You also have a job to do that is not computer programming or playing with software, but actually using software to complete a task. You use what works and can be deployed universally.

In the real world, asking for a new OS and new Software to "be free" means you will be lucky if all they do is laugh at you.

I don't think anyone here knocks Linux. I have installed it on my own computers many times and use it currently on some of them. I like it. It would not bother me at all to use it at work, if it was possible.

But work happens on Windows. The software makers support it, IT departments support it, corporations deploy it because it's universally compatible. If you also happen to like Windows, as I do, no big deal. I'm glad to see Windows making progress. Most of us who "work" on a computer, are not playing around with the OS or care what it is, we are using third party software to create solutions to data heavy problems. Those programs just need to work, so the solution is found and you can move on to the next challenge.

 

[18seeds]

I do 80% of my work either on a samsung note 4, hp stream 7 (windows tablet), or a 1st generation ipad mini. Heavy lifting is done on a surface pro 2 and before that a 1st generation MacBook air. I'm hoping more app builders catch on to windows. Windows 8 tablets would have been fine if they had good app support.

Office 365, salesforce, gotomeeting, excel and PowerPoint and i am to go on any platform. I just need a bluetooth headset that can handle lots of talk time.

I can say in my industry, tech sales, is pretty much capable of moving to 100% tablets. The next generation of windows tablets running the latest Intel atom processors (or equivalent) will be plenty of horse power.

 

[Pilat]

That's ok, most people don't read EULA's. And that's fine if you don't care. But some people do. Some people need to be able to do what they want to do, not what the software company gives them permission to do.

It sounds like you downloaded a preview and then get your panties in a bunch because you can't publically share your thoughts on a preview.

Yet you said people who do heavy lifting use windows.

Yes, people who work for a living and have to buy their own stuff. I don't consider servers either, as that too is of absolutely no relevance.

There's a lot of heavy lifting done with other OS's. Just like a lot of people use windows to update their facebook page and do email.
It's fine if you prefer windows, a lot of people do, but don't make up stuff to try to justify using it.

Well, colour me surprised: You haven't read the thread. This is a thread where someone thought a mobile phone could replace laptops and desktops, a thread where someone thought LInux would do for heavy lifting when it came to video and audio products. You then decide to include super computers dedicated to a single purpose, and now desktops to interact with that supercomputer as a good example:

BTW, CERN (which is just one example of many) desktops are running Linux as well.

So what? I bet none of those computers are as capable as my computers when it comes to audio and video production, and if it's true that they run Linux, there is no way I could use those for anything audio and video related.

We talked about heavy lifting in the context of the idiocy of using a mobile phone for audio and video production and other such things where computer power and connectability as well as being able to deliver what is needed is what matters. Obviously, a place that costs billions as CERN does will have the resources to make their own closed ecosystem based on whatever they want. They will also have the money to continuously having people fine tune the system and constantly monitor said system.

 

[Antichrist]

It sounds like you downloaded a preview and then get your panties in a bunch because you can't publically share your thoughts on a preview.

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Restrictions like that have been in EULA's for years. Go to Best Buy and get a shrink wrapped copy of any MS product, it'll be in there.

Well, colour me surprised: You haven't read the thread. This is a thread where someone thought a mobile phone could replace laptops and desktops, a thread where someone thought LInux would do for heavy lifting when it came to video and audio products.

Actually they said they do use Linux, not that they thought maybe they would try it.

And my reply was about having to tinker a lot with linux, which is not true.

You then decide to include super computers dedicated to a single purpose, and now desktops to interact with that supercomputer as a good example:

That was just one example of non-MS software being used for serious work, in your response saying one needs Windows to be able to do "heavy haulage".
Of course, if video editing is the only thing that qualifies as "heavy haulage" in your book....

 

[Antichrist]

But work happens on Windows.

I must have missed it, I didn't see anyone claim that work doesn't happen on windows.

 

[Pilat]

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Restrictions like that have been in EULA's for years. Go to Best Buy and get a shrink wrapped copy of any MS product, it'll be in there.

They still cannot do that according to the law here. I am still not sure if you're pulling my leg. It matters not, however, I have work to do, and for that I need software that is not available on Linux.

Actually they said they do use Linux, not that they thought maybe they would try it.

Once again you didn't read what I said. Keywords: Video and Audio Production. Who are "they" who said they were using Linux? Cern again?

And my reply was about having to tinker a lot with linux, which is not true.

It IS true, if you have the need to connect various mixers, external videocards/converters, audio recorders and various readers, as well as needing audio and video editing software that have certain capabilities with known compatibility and the ability to export and import certain formats. So, yes, I would have to tinker. And I really don't care about what OS I use, as long as I can get my work done as efficiently as possible without having to deal with incompatibilities, driver issues, and software limitations.

That was just one example of non-MS software being used for serious work, in your response saying one needs Windows to be able to do "heavy haulage".

I already explained the context. Apparently you do not want to hear that some people find your beloved OS lacking in certain departments.

Of course, if video editing is the only thing that qualifies as "heavy haulage" in your book....

Of course it doesn't. I have pointed out the context, and I have pointed out how and why your CERN example is not in any way applicable to this discussion.

 

[kojackJKU]

Pilat,

on and off topic, what do you do? and what software do you use?