Are you saying it doesn't come with instructions?!
New product from Proud Rhino! The SYA Off Road Extension Kit
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Are you saying it doesn't come with instructions?!
Well, mine didn't but for the most part it shouldn't be too difficult to sort out. The front and rear are different sizes so you wouldn't get them confused. As for the angle, the hole for the air line would mean you can only install one way. I haven't looked closely regarding the limit straps so that's the only thing I can think of that might take some sorting.
Was there supposed to be an instruction sheet?
Was there supposed to be an instruction sheet?
sunrisehiker
Adventurer
From pictures , that Justin posted a page a go, you can see , that strap is attached from upper control arm 's stabilizer link nut to a one of three bolts on the original tower that sits an air strut.
Dmarchand
Adventurer
Ha, a rover 3rd party product with instructions...
Dmarchand
Adventurer
Did the install on my 4 today. Went fairly well overall. Took about 3-4 hours total, and is much faster once you've done one side and figure out the process and tools needed.
The nuts on the shock tower tops are 15mm and you will need/want a ratcheting wrench for it to go smoothly.
For the fronts, I found it best to pull the shock bottom bolt and take the assembly out. For the rears, you can deflate the bag entirely and move it out of the shock perch top to assemble the spacer and air line.
I think Lucky8 mentioned it but take your time undoing the air fitting. I found it easiest to cut it out (cut the line itself), drop the shock, undo and assemble it with the connector. You loose 1/2" of factory line which is negligible. And be very careful removing the brass collar inside the air fitting. It is fragile and will snap if you don't take it easy.
Pics to follow.
The nuts on the shock tower tops are 15mm and you will need/want a ratcheting wrench for it to go smoothly.
For the fronts, I found it best to pull the shock bottom bolt and take the assembly out. For the rears, you can deflate the bag entirely and move it out of the shock perch top to assemble the spacer and air line.
I think Lucky8 mentioned it but take your time undoing the air fitting. I found it easiest to cut it out (cut the line itself), drop the shock, undo and assemble it with the connector. You loose 1/2" of factory line which is negligible. And be very careful removing the brass collar inside the air fitting. It is fragile and will snap if you don't take it easy.
Pics to follow.
Jwestpro
Explorer
Drop test!!!!! and max height test if you have the ability.
Anybody have a better pic of the rear installation?
I'm about to install mine and I'm not certain of where the straps are attached. The pic above shows the front going from one of the upper strut bolts to the sway bar mount, but I can't make out where the rear is attached on the control arm. Info and/or pics? Looking at the truck, I'm guessing they are using the upper A-arm mounting/alignment bolt but I'd worry about possible interference with the wheel.
(too late in the day to call Lucky8 I'm afraid...pesky east coast time zone!)
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Studying the rear control arm area, my first thought was it must go to the upper control arm's outer bolt. But no...that would interfere with the wheel. Ah-ha --- how about the upper bolt of the sway bar linkage? That looks like a winner.
I'll be putting it on today, however I had a minor set-back when undoing the mounting nuts of the already installed spacer when the nut that holds the limit strap galled and I broke the bolt getting it off. Not a big issue - I'll just knock it out and weld in a 10mm bolt. Pics to follow.
I'll be putting it on today, however I had a minor set-back when undoing the mounting nuts of the already installed spacer when the nut that holds the limit strap galled and I broke the bolt getting it off. Not a big issue - I'll just knock it out and weld in a 10mm bolt. Pics to follow.
Fivespddisco
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The job is simple just time consuming.
1 pull air strut out
2 put extension air line in the air strut
3 put on spacer
4 re install the air strut with spacer in the truck.
5 connect air lines with quick connect.
6 drive with confidence.
Fivespddisco
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Since there has been some question about the installation instructions (not included) I thought I’d write a quick how-to in case anybody was worried. It really is pretty self-explanatory for the most part.
The kit has 4 spacers, 2 larger in diameter than the others. You can’t install them wrong as they only fit one way – the larger ones go on the back while the smaller on the front. You’ll see a hole that aligns with the air fitting so you know you’ve clocked them correctly, otherwise they simply wouldn’t go on at all.
I’ll skip all the safety speech here about proper lifting of your vehicle and assume you know what you’re doing if you’ve decided to take this on. Not responsible for your death or dismemberment if you do something stupid, yada yada yada.
I chose to actually fully remove the struts when doing the job but you don’t have to pull the rears completely.
Before removing the struts you’ll want to bleed the air off in the system. I did it using a GAP IId tool. Any of the diagnostic computers should be able to do it, or If you don’t have one you can start by having the truck in access height to vent as much air as possible, then you’ll have to be careful when removing the air lines (see below)
For each corner the process is the same. Remove the strut by undoing the 3 15mm nuts at the top.
(a moment’s pause here to suggest you get yourself a ratcheting 15mm box end wrench – trust me, you’ll be glad you have it as although you can do the job with a standard wrench it’s much easier with a ratcheting wrench)
Don’t bother undoing the air line; instead use a sharp razor knife to cut the plastic just above the ‘bubble’ in the line, which is just above the brass fitting. Make a clean, straight cut. If you didn’t use a computer tool to relieve the air pressure, be very careful here and go slowly, only cutting enough to let the pressure bleed off. Once the air is out, you can complete the cut. If you get carried away and cut the line fully while it’s under pressure you likely won’t damage anything but at the least you’ll be in for a shock when it blows off. There’s a lot of pressure in the system, so again be careful here.
Use a jack to support the bottom of the strut then remove the large single bolt that secures it to the lower control arm and lower the jack to lower the strut then remove it.
With the strut freed, use a 12mm wrench to remove the brass air fitting. You’ll be re-using this in a moment. Gently pull the compression ring off the plastic airline then remove the hex portion. Re-install these on the supplied black airline as they were on the original, and screw this back into the strut. Remember-this is brass so don’t get carried away on the torque. On the other end of the supplied black airline you’ll find a quick-connect coupler. To remove these you push the collar in while pulling the line out. To install, simply push the line in until it seats home. I actually found the supplied lines a bit longer than needed and trimmed each between ½ and 1” depending on which corner I was working on.
Now install the spacer to the top of the strut. Feed the short black airline up through the provided hole in the spacer and use the original 3 15mm nuts to secure it. On the rear, you’ll need to place the strut back loosely in place prior to bolting on the spacer. On the front you can do it outside the vehicle then put the strut back in place.
With the spacer installed, re-install the strut. Use the jack to lift the bottom of the strut while you guide it home at the top, being careful to fit the black plastic air line up through the original hole and not pinch it against the mount. Start the supplied 15mm nuts to hold the strut in place but don’t tighten yet. Now push the end bare end of the stock air line into the supplied quick connect until it seats home. In the future, should you have to remove a strut this will be easier to undo than the taking apart the stock brass fitting.
(A word about the supplied nuts – they have small crimps in the threads to act as locks, this makes them difficult to tighten. A squirt of WD40 or similar on the stud threads prior to installing the nuts will make things a bit easier)
On the front strut, fit the shorter of the supplied limit straps to the rear-most mounting stud on the spacer (this is why you didn’t tighten the mounting nuts in the previous step). On the rear strut, fit the longer limit strap to the forward-most stud. Now you can tighten all three nuts and fit the large lower bolt. You may need to use a pry bar along with your jack to persuade the lower end of the strut to line up.
On the front strut, fit the loose end of the limit strap to the sway bar end link on the upper control arm using the stock nut to capture the bracket. On the rear, attach the limit strap to the upper bolt on the sway bar end link at the sway bar itself. (this is a bit of a pita, but you’re pretty much done at this point)
Double check that everything is secured and the limit straps aren’t binding on anything and put the wheels back on – you’re good to go!
With my tuck sitting on the bump stops I measured 17.75” from wheel center to the bottom of the wheel arch at the rear and 18.75” at the front. I didn’t bother measuring from the ground to the wheel arch or over-all height as that will vary based on the tires you are running, but you can use that number to calculate your own truck’s new minimum height. There is plenty of clearance in the wheel wells now for my current 275-65-18 Duratracs when on the stops. As soon as they arrive at my local store, I’ll be fitting 275-70-18 Cooper STT Pros which are listed at 33.31” diameter. Though I may need to do some extra trimming here and there, the extensions should still keep the tires out of the wheel wells in a failure.
Front spacer installed:
Rear spacer installed:
Front wheel clearance on the bumpstops:
Rear wheel clearance on the bumpstops:
Over-all view on the bumpstops:
The kit has 4 spacers, 2 larger in diameter than the others. You can’t install them wrong as they only fit one way – the larger ones go on the back while the smaller on the front. You’ll see a hole that aligns with the air fitting so you know you’ve clocked them correctly, otherwise they simply wouldn’t go on at all.
I’ll skip all the safety speech here about proper lifting of your vehicle and assume you know what you’re doing if you’ve decided to take this on. Not responsible for your death or dismemberment if you do something stupid, yada yada yada.
I chose to actually fully remove the struts when doing the job but you don’t have to pull the rears completely.
Before removing the struts you’ll want to bleed the air off in the system. I did it using a GAP IId tool. Any of the diagnostic computers should be able to do it, or If you don’t have one you can start by having the truck in access height to vent as much air as possible, then you’ll have to be careful when removing the air lines (see below)
For each corner the process is the same. Remove the strut by undoing the 3 15mm nuts at the top.
(a moment’s pause here to suggest you get yourself a ratcheting 15mm box end wrench – trust me, you’ll be glad you have it as although you can do the job with a standard wrench it’s much easier with a ratcheting wrench)
Don’t bother undoing the air line; instead use a sharp razor knife to cut the plastic just above the ‘bubble’ in the line, which is just above the brass fitting. Make a clean, straight cut. If you didn’t use a computer tool to relieve the air pressure, be very careful here and go slowly, only cutting enough to let the pressure bleed off. Once the air is out, you can complete the cut. If you get carried away and cut the line fully while it’s under pressure you likely won’t damage anything but at the least you’ll be in for a shock when it blows off. There’s a lot of pressure in the system, so again be careful here.
Use a jack to support the bottom of the strut then remove the large single bolt that secures it to the lower control arm and lower the jack to lower the strut then remove it.
With the strut freed, use a 12mm wrench to remove the brass air fitting. You’ll be re-using this in a moment. Gently pull the compression ring off the plastic airline then remove the hex portion. Re-install these on the supplied black airline as they were on the original, and screw this back into the strut. Remember-this is brass so don’t get carried away on the torque. On the other end of the supplied black airline you’ll find a quick-connect coupler. To remove these you push the collar in while pulling the line out. To install, simply push the line in until it seats home. I actually found the supplied lines a bit longer than needed and trimmed each between ½ and 1” depending on which corner I was working on.
Now install the spacer to the top of the strut. Feed the short black airline up through the provided hole in the spacer and use the original 3 15mm nuts to secure it. On the rear, you’ll need to place the strut back loosely in place prior to bolting on the spacer. On the front you can do it outside the vehicle then put the strut back in place.
With the spacer installed, re-install the strut. Use the jack to lift the bottom of the strut while you guide it home at the top, being careful to fit the black plastic air line up through the original hole and not pinch it against the mount. Start the supplied 15mm nuts to hold the strut in place but don’t tighten yet. Now push the end bare end of the stock air line into the supplied quick connect until it seats home. In the future, should you have to remove a strut this will be easier to undo than the taking apart the stock brass fitting.
(A word about the supplied nuts – they have small crimps in the threads to act as locks, this makes them difficult to tighten. A squirt of WD40 or similar on the stud threads prior to installing the nuts will make things a bit easier)
On the front strut, fit the shorter of the supplied limit straps to the rear-most mounting stud on the spacer (this is why you didn’t tighten the mounting nuts in the previous step). On the rear strut, fit the longer limit strap to the forward-most stud. Now you can tighten all three nuts and fit the large lower bolt. You may need to use a pry bar along with your jack to persuade the lower end of the strut to line up.
On the front strut, fit the loose end of the limit strap to the sway bar end link on the upper control arm using the stock nut to capture the bracket. On the rear, attach the limit strap to the upper bolt on the sway bar end link at the sway bar itself. (this is a bit of a pita, but you’re pretty much done at this point)
Double check that everything is secured and the limit straps aren’t binding on anything and put the wheels back on – you’re good to go!
With my tuck sitting on the bump stops I measured 17.75” from wheel center to the bottom of the wheel arch at the rear and 18.75” at the front. I didn’t bother measuring from the ground to the wheel arch or over-all height as that will vary based on the tires you are running, but you can use that number to calculate your own truck’s new minimum height. There is plenty of clearance in the wheel wells now for my current 275-65-18 Duratracs when on the stops. As soon as they arrive at my local store, I’ll be fitting 275-70-18 Cooper STT Pros which are listed at 33.31” diameter. Though I may need to do some extra trimming here and there, the extensions should still keep the tires out of the wheel wells in a failure.
Front spacer installed:
Rear spacer installed:
Front wheel clearance on the bumpstops:
Rear wheel clearance on the bumpstops:
Over-all view on the bumpstops:
The whole job would take perhaps 3-4 hours if you've done it before. Doing it for the first time in your driveway on jackstands, give yourself a day. You may not need a full day but that just allows more beer time when you're done.
I should say I did run into one snag. On the rear I wasn't sure where the limit strap attached so I went ahead and mounted the spacers then once I figured out where the strap went I came back to install it. When removing the supplied lock-nut, it galled and I snapped the stud off of the spacer. There was almost enough thread left on the stud, but instead of messing with it I instead drove the broken stud out and tack welded a 10mm bolt back in its place.
The broken stud after removal:
And the new bolt tacked in place: (clearly I am not a professional welder)
I should say I did run into one snag. On the rear I wasn't sure where the limit strap attached so I went ahead and mounted the spacers then once I figured out where the strap went I came back to install it. When removing the supplied lock-nut, it galled and I snapped the stud off of the spacer. There was almost enough thread left on the stud, but instead of messing with it I instead drove the broken stud out and tack welded a 10mm bolt back in its place.
The broken stud after removal:
And the new bolt tacked in place: (clearly I am not a professional welder)
no-pistons
Adventurer
I wouldn't be surprised if those limit strap buckles fail mounted like that.
Rumor has it there is a different/better location to mount the rear limit straps. If anybody has photos of how they mounted theirs please post, or at least describe. The only other place I could see that could accept the strap was the upper control arm spindle mounting bolt, but there's no way to attach to that without interfering with the wheel. The strap won't reach to the lower control arm. By process of elimination, that only leaves the sway bar mount. Am I wrong?