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Looking down at women? Please. Manufacture drama elsewhere. Land Rovers are soccer mom cars. That's not derisive of women. It's derisive of Land Rover's abandonment of the entire utility market.

What I actually said, and what you think I've said, are very different. Let me make it simple for you. Land Rovers are designer status icons, not useful tools. Their new market demographics are a reflection of this. The latest products bear zero resemblance, and incorporate none of the...

If you insist on discussing looks, then let's go there. They don't look like Discoveries or Defenders, at all. All character is lost. The LR3/4 was bad enough, but the latest generations even further diluted. Essentially, the models are large Evoque, short Evoque, or long Evoque. The comments...

ef·fete /əˈfēt/ (of a person) affected, overrefined, and ineffectual. "effete trendies from art college" no longer capable of effective action. "the authority of an effete aristocracy began to dwindle"

This is more akin to what Nissan did to the Pathfinder, except LR did it to the Discovery and Defender. Neither carry on any character of the originals, or character at all. What we have are two effete luxury cars, so yes I'd rather they not have bothered. Thankfully, other marques look to be...

It's just another example of a manufacturer you don't buy a complicated product from when they can't execute quality.

An LR3/4 is incredibly heavy for its size, so the first thing I'd check is if the RV can truly tow that much.

Not exactly. Series/Defender reflect the 20/40/70 series, whereas the later RRC/D1 reflects the later 55/60/80/100/200 series. There’s rumors the 200 is at the end of its line. We’ll see.

Land Cruiser evolved into three lines: heavy duty, light duty, and station wagon. The 200 series is in the station wagon line. The Early Land Cruisers evolved most directly into the HD line where the 70 series currently resides. If the Defender had continued to evolve as the others did, it would...

The people who believe the luxury Defender is a joke. As for sales, it sold fine until it was neglected, which was not its fault. The vehicles being used as examples of vehicle evolution, are solid axle vehicles, so I'm not sure where your confusion arises. No... read again. See below Just as...

By practical, I mean a solution to what people actually wanted, which is not an old Defender, nor is it a Wrangler. No, you "end up" with what I described. That is not an old Defender. Assuming continued similarity to the JL/Jimny/etc, it would possess far improved safety, entertainment, and...

You present three options, none of which are practical. The people that think the Defender is a joke don't want a JL or a classic LR (they might already have one). They want a modern Defender, not the Playskool DC100. For those who have a hard time imagining this, the closest I can suggest is to...

Main issues are yes, styling; the Defender is an icon of automotive design, that was thrown in the trash. I have concerns about its capability, but we don't need to go there again. I wouldn't discount comparison to mildly modified classics, as simplicity was a feature, and simplicity allows...

The space between Series/Defender and Wrangler JL or luxury Defender is massive. A genuine modern Defender would slot somewhere between. The Land Cruiser and Jeep, both extremely similar, evolved into what we have today (70 Series, JL), but was differentiated by capability and capacity. Imagine...

D90, F150, MINI. Recently: D1, LR3, Mercedes C350. Been around and driven every other LR model except the LR2.

Yes, those concepts are components of branding, which is the topic at hand. Looking at the luxury Defender, it's easy to see why one would be hesitant to discuss it.

Okay, that is one of Kia's better ads.

I'm not sure anymore. It used to be an interesting brand that appealed to adventure, hard work, and getting dirty. Now every product and ad they present is sterile, tech & luxury focused, or referential of their past. I guess that appeals to affluent techies seeking a tough image, but...

Because those who got a better Discovery, got what they wanted, and those who wanted an updated Defender got nothing. If any vehicle is going to capture your last 5% it's a Defender. Buy a Discovery. Fine for a Defender, buy a Discovery. Fine for a Defender, buy a Discovery. You're missing...

200,000 deposits received within two days, twice the anticipated annual production of the new Defender: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/...7Ctwgr%5Etweet