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I checked, just to make sure and this is all I found.. hmm..

It depends. They can be cheap, but quickly climb in price with options. It's a very wide range to serve all crowds.

The topic is the Defender. Excellent handling is a high priority of Jags and Range Rovers, not the Defender. It's a consideration, but lower on the priority list for a utility vehicle at the opposite end of the product lineup.

There's a different between a flat or two, and numerous failures.

I see your ruse now. You're too focused on dates. It doesn't matter. Tech is either appropriate for an application, or its not, which is why we see a variety of solutions. ..and problems introduced. It's not a one size fits all tech. It doesn't fit this application.

You defined the goal posts and I delivered a list not entirely composed but certainly including trucks, because again trucks exist, they overland, and sell enormously well right now, to everyday working people, the same market LR used to offer a product for.

You accuse me of being dishonest and then claim that solid axles were last used in 1948....

He was talking about the appearance. You're stuck on IS.

Nearly every farmer, construction worker, hauler, ground-works, landscaping, plumbing, electrical, and on and on guy I know or know of drives a truck. There's nothing special about them. They just do a job, like LRs used to.

lol, it's not supposed to be interesting and polarizing because it looks like every other model in their lineup, or in everyone's lineup. I'm sure LR will beat it up more, just like they did the D5 when it did the silk road and needed 15 pairs of spare tires supplied hush-hush to keep the...

I'm familiar with the guy. He's been around a long time. I see, and it's embarrassing, that they has to switch the D5 to Compomotive wheels because LR doesn't give a damn about utility and function anymore.

A HD truck is categorically not a lorry. Not even close. Nor is the van. These are overlanders, on Expedition Portal..

I said it's "not what the new Defender should be at all". It's the willingness to produce an interesting and polarizing design and then beat it up in public that is valuable.

They have been for several pages, and he specifically asked for solid axle overlanders. From this very site..

This is the rage thread, is it not?

More rage against the machine..

lol, the IS debate thread? Isn't this the wheel/tire debate thread? That was started by previous poster. Anyways, since when was a Defender sold with a (further) gimped model from the factory? I'm not convinced LR can develop various sophisticated systems, but can't figure out how to make one...

He presented one data point. You tell the board to imagine others and see where it gets you. His example wasn't even about IS. This is just too devolved at this point.

You either 1. Live with it, because it's not a big deal in all types of vehicles. 2. You refine a better solution. You cannot decouple the wheels, that compromise will always exist with a solid axle, but you can reduce unsprung weight with material science and engineering, just as LR began to in...

Those (IS, non-Air) soft-roader SUVs already exist. LR isn't offering any unique value there.