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As speed increases there is a correlation with the advantages of IS. Nothing new. What you don't understand is that even at 60mph, the physics advantages don't outweigh the non-physics disadvtantages in all applications. I If you think solid axles are a dead end, that the work is done, you're...

All hail IS/AS, the one rule them all, to find them, to bring them all, and in the darkness leave them SOL on the trail and in the shop.

Read again.. His buddy's old 4Runner. One anecdotal datapoint. <--- It's right there Read below ------> <------ Read above

Yet you are unable to discern IS's appropriate applications. Thankfully, most engineers are not as ignorant. "any car, cheap or expensive" that have them, probably have them for solid reasoning, but not all. Many technologies have been used inappropriately; the Defender is clearly one example...

I knew before. I looked anyways. It's true. It matters on a Range Rover. It doesn't matter as much on a Defender. There are other, more important considerations.

His single data point is hid buddy's old 4Runner. I've seen and worked on crappy old 4Runners too. They're still far more reliable on average. What good is capability if your vehicle in incapacitated? Doesn't that make it fairly incapable? Off the top of my head.. Every coil sprung LR...

Do you have a non-defensive response, where you're able to understand the Defender? I'm well aware. You missed the point, and the sarcasm. In one way, they're an ancient tech, but at the same time they've evolved and improved over time. We didn't need to switch whole-sale to something...

I'm guessing the 4Runner has lived a longer life than your LR3. I'd like to see you in a review board with your single (flawed) data-point presentations. I don't have to repeat myself. The industry (engineers) keep repeating their use of solid front axles, when appropriate, for me. You and...

You do seem to understand IS, but you can't seem to understand when to use it.

How am I making up what was established and understood for decades? How would you describe the Defender? What is it, at its core? What function did it serve or mean for people? Yes, I was going to bring up those tires. They must really bother you, being ancient tech. There's no way to further...

Hold on. Let me count.. Sound like you're almost thinking like a Defender designer that understands its niche.

Get a 4Runner, they're just as ugly, but at least they wont leave you stranded when your luck runs out. I thought the resale values were great too, and that everyone was wrong, until it wasn't, and they were right. You brought up your sensitivity. Wax on about unsprung weight, bump-steer...

Tell that to all the solid-axle vehicles currently overlanding the world. I imagine they'd just ignore you and keep moving on.

Since your LR3 (and my old LR3, when it worked) is apparently more capable than my current stock F150 and D90, doesn't that make you the one "addicted to excess"? Take a P38 down a trail, since you seem to have a high risk tolerance for unreliable vehicles; your sensitive body will be just fine,

1. I'm basing it on what any non-delusioned person understand about Land Rovers, and which has been reflected in their resale values, online reviews, personal anecdotes, data, etc since, well as long as memory serves. 2. Stock coil LRs have very comfortable rides, until some ************** swaps in...

Yeah, you missed a few properties there. The Bronco might be close. We'll see. Ford can still design something useful. Then again, it might just end up a mullet magnet.

It's probably a POS, but it's interesting and polarizing. People want interesting, they want fun. If it doesn't sell itself, it'll remind people that Testla exists. Not everyone is a Honda Freelander driving automaton. I nearly fell asleep in the Defender reveal, but this was one long ******.

Yes, but it will just as useless off-road as LR whatevers with coil-spring conversions. They only purpose they good for on trails is a winch anchor.

How about, anywhere. Can't go anywhere too far from civilization and its repair centers without reliability-anxiety setting in. So the simple coil/leaf, IFS/solid rear, and dual-solid axle vehicle are "OVERLY" capable? Then why are we wasting our time with Rube Goldberg suspension LR gimmicks?

So while LR is busy dropping flamboyant glider-pilots into the back of D5s, and unloading tea-sets from Luxfender side-lockers, Tesla unveils a stainless bullet-proof truck featuring a polarizing but unforgettable design. Then in the reveal, while LR's flower-arranging designer waxes poetically...