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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    The next collector vehicle will be the 2nd generation Jeep Cherokee XJ. The younger crowd loves them. The Land Rover Discovery I has that potential down the road. I don't see any of the new LR's achieving that desirability.
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    You can even see the thinking of managing 'best whatever' in the EU. A buyer makes decisions based on a list of critieria, not all of them driven by 'best'. Successful on-going businesses make compromises and customers understand that. Jeep Wrangler Flunks European Safety Tests, But Sales...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Most Colorado trails have an "easy" path and a "hard" path. Road 21 comes to mind. Some are forgetting, by convenience of argument, that backcountry travel is for the enjoyment of the scenery and the drive whether you pick easy or hard that day. Easy and hard can be found on the same trail just...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    One aspect that is becoming more common is that as the Jeep/LR capabilities are commoditized I see more and more standard SUV's in the backcountry. Which brings us back to a long ago topic of discussion - the attraction of any one vehicle is how it can be personalized by the owner. Can it become...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    LOL on the flat section pic. Trail conditions depend on the snow/avalanche season. The pass can go from easy/moderate to difficult/washed out/blocked. Last year was a doozy of a snow/avalanche season for Colorado.
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Thinking back to my previous 4WD trips I never see another Land Rover. It is all Jeeps, Toyota's, Fords and Broncos. Some modified, most not. A relatively recent trip up Engineer's Pass with my LR4 some girl yelled out "I wouldn't bring my LR4 up here!" as she rode by in a ATV. The LR4...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    That standard tow-behind vehicle is the Jeep, in the various forms. I NEVER see a LR towed behind a motorhome. Most are Rubicons with D44's, outfitted for fun. Few are modified. Mostly used by the owners for short trips, exploring, fun in the sun, sold by the thousands per month. Across...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    And as the calls for partnerships and mergers increase, the long understood Gartner Hype Curve is still applicable as we enter the Trough of Dissillusionment for electrification. The "Chasm" is yet to be achieved, which will accelerate mergers.
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    That 2 billion cost savings is what I referred to as consolidation. Jaguar and Land Rover design centers have now been collapsed into one center that has enabled "redundancies"/layoffs. And while JLR is partnering with BMW on powertrains, Tata is pushing for a broader 'partnership' with either...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Only because of a $3.5B write off that is carried forward with accounting. JLR is still consolidating while Tata is seeking partners. The Defender was "old" and not invested in because they were part of the now defunct Rover Group. LR barely survived. The D5 might be another 'best product' that...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    You need to rethink what you wrote. Is the goal of a business to make a profit or is it to make the 'best product' at a $3.5 Billion loss, write off $4B, cut 4,500 workers and consolidate departments? What would JLR look like without Tata bailing them out? Or should the business figure out...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    See the Jeep pic I referenced for $50K, which included the diesel option at $4K. That's brand new, US dollar. Then consider the LA show pricing for the D110 110FE (first edition) - $68,650 plus options 110X - $80,900K plus options Optioned closely the D110 will be close to $80K-$90K. Apples to...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    At 2X the price? Air suspension is nice but.... Solid axles have advantages Everyone now has TC Again, Luxury and priced accordingly. That is LRs choice which is fine. Just hope they can justify 2X. In case you haven't noticed LRs previous differentiators have been commoditized. Volume will be...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    A very quick Jeep 'build' with Turbo-diesel and some options = $50K The D110 will be pushing $100K out the door.
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    The Luxury Defender is the evolution of the LR4, truly what the LR5 (D5) should have been. The LR4 was luxury, so too is the new Defender. Pricing is consistent with luxury.
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    LA show pricing 90FE - $65,100K plus options 110FE - $68,650 plus options 110X - $80,900K plus options
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    The Discovery didn't move upmarket. It moved to a completely different market, VW Touareg. More lateral. The Luxury Defender moved significantly upmarket with styling, electronics and pricing, by design. I'm sure the industry press is perfectly capable of judging the moves of all manufacturers...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    The Luxury Defender has been 5 years in the making. As noted in the industry press: Land Rover takes the Defender upmarket Automotive News - Europe FRANKFURT -- Land Rover has transformed its Defender off-roader into a far more luxurious, roomier and high-tech vehicle, but for a price...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    I agree, its a girl car. As the dealer said, the Evoque was a fashion statement.
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    No doubt. So will a Subaru. We have the top selling Subaru dealer in the nation. The local joke is that there is one in every garage. Those class of vehicle do well in snow country. The Evoque should do well but so did my 95 RRC through many Kansas blizzards. Glad you like the Evoque. JLR needs...
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