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Conflating Ferrari and LR?...Does Ferrari have a years long history of unreliability and poor execution as well? :)

Wow, that thing gets expensive quickly! Just played around some on the configurator on the website- a "base" model is almost $50K. You can get a base model Jeep Wrangler for under $30 and the Rubicon for about $40. Add in the V-6 and you end up over $60K. That's for the most basic one they...

Apparently on paper it sounds good, but in reality not so much- Car and Driver notes that it "fails to impress" https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a28929417/2019-range-rover-sport-inline-six-by-the-numbers/

It looks like what the Discovery should have been. It's nice, but it's not awesome. Definitely a vast improvement over the current Discovery and RRs, but I was expecting some wow factor- this is the DC100 basically. The black roof is cool and it's good to see LR take off-road accessories into...

So I'm not going to make the assumptions about you that you make about me- I've had numerous experiences with LRs; actually test drove a Discovery last weekend because I'm interested. I've seen them some off-road, admittedly very, very little- because you so rarely every see one off-road and I...

You had me until you said Land Rover still makes superior off-road vehicles to the competition. Maybe the Defender will be as off-road capable as a Wrangler or reliable as a Land Cruiser or as old-school cool as a G-Wagon, but there's not a chance you can say that anything they've built in the...

All black is probably not the best look- a classic color, blue or green Defender with a white or black roof- some accessories will look much better. Still eager to see it officially roll out and what all LR does with it, happy to see another solid 4x4 in the market place; it doesn't quite grab...

A Theory- it's a little simple and obvious Jeeps and Land Rovers are just made for different markets. I've been around both crowds and I'm pretty active on this and a Jeep JL forum and it's 2 different groups of people and mindsets. I've yet to meet a Wrangler owner who cared about crash test...

I'll be very surprised if they don't do something big to capture attention. On the Defender's anniversary they drew a large outline of a Defender in the snow on a mountain. LR needs this Defender to carry the flagship for the brand. A smart trip, in an exotic location showing off the Defenders...

What are the chances that LR does a significant off-road event to launch/market the Defender such as below? An expedition/event like any of these would provide a ton of buzz, create many instagram moments and give them footage for commercials for years! Great Divide Expedition Camel Trophy...

https://www.whatcar.com/news/2020-land-rover-defender-tested/n17899 This article confirms the lockers, front and rear, electronic...that's pretty awesome! It does say that an auto and manual will be available though.

3 Diff Locks, low-range, 18s, Coils (I'm old-fashioned :)), Alpine Windows, tested to a level between full-size and mil-spec!!!!! The news is getting very good!!

I have a hard time seeing them make this without a low-range; I'd have an equally hard time buying one if they did.

Interesting video about the financial future of JLR

Curious about the forum's thoughts on waiting until the 2nd year of a new model to purchase. Is there real value in not buying the 1st year or has this Defender been tested and tried so much that any kinks will be well worked out prior to the first iteration? Any other reasons to wait such as...

As Wrangler's get ever more expensive I think the Defender will definitely be cross-shopped with it. The lack of after-market support for the last several years is disconcerting, however I'm hopeful that LR is designing it in a way that is not so prohibitive to modification and that there is so...

I think the gap between what we are saying is the difference between the minimum of what is "required" to do a trail verse what I'm suggesting increases off-road capability and has the added benefit, in my opinion, of bringing further individuality and personality to a vehicle. An incredibly...

I can't imagine why anyone would ever lift an off-road vehicle....other than to increase their off-road capability and have a better looking vehicle! Other than that, I can't think of a reason :)

I'm not sure how enjoying the aesthetics of a lifted vehicle equates to someone not knowing how to pick a line. Ground clearance is one of the most significant improvements to capability you can make to an off-road vehicle. When a vehicle has springs or coils and solid axles it's also one of the...

I just don't understand LR marketing. Pictures like these with wording about "extreme off-road" and "testing the abilities of the vehicle" are comical. The truly sad part is that you know it's capable of more- I just don't think LR Marketing is doing the vehicle any favors with this. Who is this...