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Looks great!

I've always liked the 4XOVERLAND channel and reviews

What problem...what business need does the Defender solve? If you want the most capable out of the box 4x4 sold in the US you buy the Wrangler Rubicon... if you are most anywhere else in the world you buy a Land Cruiser or Prado If reliability is more important and you just need something...

I don't know whether this a Defender or not- I don't proclaim to have any special knowledge of the true spirit of LR, but as someone who has been very interested in the Defender and equally disappointed by what it is I'll comment - "It's too roundy or something"- Looks are incredibly subjective...

Interesting article about the Defender and it's placement relative to the Discovery 5- he argues that the Defender's identify crisis makes the Discovery a better choice https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-new-land-rover-defenders-identity-crisis-sweetens-the-discovery-5/

As I stated in the post you quoted and have stated numerous other times on this forum- I'm not talking specifically about rock crawling. Solid axles, body on frame and lockers have better traction, more articulation and are more durable in every single off-road situation outside of running high...

Having read through the replies...the good and the bad....I can also say I've definitely come to a deeper appreciation for the fact that these 2 vehicles are really just different philosophies for how to go about achieving something very similar. The more I read of comparisons between them I see...

I think this article does a great job of capturing the range of opinions that have been expressed on this forum- some lines that stood out to me from the article- "Die-hard fans of the all-conquering Land Rover Defender are hoping the new-generation vehicle coming next year won’t sacrifice...

Should be an exciting event- it's cool to see something like this return and a manufacturer make the investment! Hopefully they'll do one on Colorado

That link is outstanding- that's basically everything you'd ever want to know. I wonder how long the dealer upcharging will last?

Something else that the "Defender" advocates are missing....... A huge part of the disappointment that is being expressed all across the internet in this thing is.. even IF everything you say is true. Let's just assume that IFS really is overall better, that the benefits of on-road comfort...

So, this comparison misses the mark in several key ways and always has. When you compare a race specific vehicle meant for 1 time use prioritizing speed over anything else to a vehicle meant to drive 100,000 miles or more over several years you are comparing apples to oranges. A King of the...

Because I have to go to the grocery store occasionally and it wouldn't fit in my garage and a thousand other practical reasons- I've never said I want a specialized rock-crawler- I actually really don't care for rock crawling. The idea that a Wrangler is only good for rock crawling is one of the...

I'm talking about Land Rover and the product they've given us over the last few years- as I've stated many times on here- I truly hope the Defender is different, I really do- If it is something truly different, then it has the potential of maintaining it's legacy and being worth mentioning...

If you think that articulation is only for rock crawling you might want to look again at most trails. Outside of improved Forest Service Roads I've never been on an off-road trail that doesn't require competent articulation and traction. Muddy ruts, any decent degree of incline/decline all...

To those who advance the "you don't need articulation, you have traction control" argument- @DieselRanger I'm looking at you! Watch the first 3 min of this video- can you honestly say that this is "good" off-roading? That looks unstable as h*** and that's on metal grates designed for traction...

To what end? ...shut down a robust conversation? I've enjoyed this thread; I've learned more about why some people prefer air suspension and reflected on different 4x4 philosophies than I can recall in a long time. We don't all have to have the same opinion or else we shut down discussion...

I agree that through brake modulation you can step off the stair so to speak gently, but in a vehicle with articulation you don't have to as much. Can traction control keep this vehicle moving forward with a tire or 2 in the air....yes.....is having 2 or 3 wheels on the ground more stable than...

I completely disagree- solid axles are generally recognized in the off-road world as better at articulation and keeping a tire on the ground than IFS. Take a look at any modern LR going through undulating terrain- they keep tires in the air, because they can't articulate. This is about as much...

I think another aspect of this that's missing is the pure joy of driving a more mechanically true vehicle- body on frame, solid axles, mechanical lockers etc... I was traveling recently and ended up with a 2020 Rubicon with the 2.0L Turbo as a rental vehicle. I can't tell you how much fun it...