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I guess I'm at a loss for why the LR loyalists on here are so surprised that there is a considerable amount of skepticism of this vehicle and frankly a lack of trust in the LR brand overall. LR is supposed to be one of the keeper's of the flame if you will- a no compromise off-roader in a...

Their small volume doesn't stop you from seeing plenty of them at Starbucks! :)

I applaud you gentlemen because you are without a doubt in the distinct extreme minority of LR owners. I wish I saw more of them on the trail, I really do. I hope to see this Defender out there- can't remember the last time I saw a LR on a trail here in CO or UT for that matter. I don't know...

I agree, this new Defender is more capable than the old one- it'd be hard not to be- they had no lockers and terrible articulation. My point is that LR had a chance to do something really different rather than continue on with the same thing they've already got multiple examples. They took a...

I think most other modern LRs are fine- for what they are- plush SUVs that are way more comfortable than they are capable and prioritize luxuriousness and exclusivity over actual long-term use as a 4x4. This Defender I'd hoped would be different- and I'd agree that to some extent it might be...

Why refer to it as a glamour-mobile- In large part because the bar is so high for one of the world's most iconic 4x4s. Traction control isn't as good as a selectable locker, Air Springs aren't as reliable and introduce a lot more complexity than coils and their longevity is questionable at best...

I think the point is that there are already plenty of fast, plush and comfy SUVs that handle as well as sports cars or are as quiet as a Cadillac - You are not going to win any speed races with a Jeep Wrangler for sure, but there is clearly a huge market for a rough around the edges 4x4 that...

I'm one of those! Traditionally a Jeep fan who has always found LR intriguing. The more I've looked though what I realized is that I liked the IDEA of LR - the idea of a true off-roader with a deep and storied history. When you look at owning the actual product, especially a classic Defender the...

Very interesting comparison using an off-road index-

Country Pack

Adventure Pack

Urban Pack

Explorer Pack

Whether or not it's durable enough is yet to be seen.. LR says it is, what else would they say? Time will tell. After some real off-road beta testing and lots of miles by those willing to risk dropping $80K on a decently spec'd version; we'll see. Does the aftermarket respond?...has LR built it...

Yeah, but I feel like all max ground clearance numbers that come from IFS/Air Bags should come with an asterisk * that says, it's only this when maxed out on it's tippy toes :)

A comparison of Defender, Wrangler, G-Class and 4Runner by the numbers https://www.motor1.com/features/369810/2020-land-rover-defender-competitors/

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-land-rover-defender-vs-2019-jeep-wrangler-rubicon Interesting article.

This is how I see it as well. It's not that I'm anti-tech regarding air springs and electronic traction control. I like Jeep's approach- the Grand Cherokee has tons of tech, air springs and traction control- it's pretty good and has been reliable, but Jeep keeps the Wrangler wild- it's rowdy...

Except the LC stands on a history of bullet-proof reliability. IF, and I say IF, the Defender goes the way of almost every other LR product in the last decade their resale value will plummet after about 5 years because no one would want to own one longer than that. The resale market says a lot...

This article basically says the Defender is for upper middle class people who wish they could afford a G-Wagon. That's pretty funny! The more I look at the Defender I think it's a competitor to the Toyota Land Cruiser 200, without the reliability of Toyota, but with a lot more refinement-...