2010 patriot soft roader build.

[jhill15]

That's the size of my winters...225/70/17

I need some advice man lol!

Ok so right now my front sits at 20 inches from the center of the wheel my rear sits at 19. these moog 81482 springs are 15 inches Which will drop the front .5 inch leaving still .5 inch higher in the front. The 81492 spring is 14 inches Which would drop me about .5-1 inch lower in the front. Should I go with the 81492 even though it will be lower in the front. They way I look at it if I ever load down the cargo I will level out instead of sink.



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[kojackJKU]

Yes, always have some rake left in your rig. 100% level is not good, and it actually upsets driving dynamics. I put a 3" leveling kit on my 2008 F150 when I had it, it leveled it out, however it rode like ****, handled like **** and was horrible with any amount of weight in the back. I then put 2" in the rear to bring back some rake and the smooth ride returned, and the proper handling etc. My JK unlimited now has rake in it and it works awesome. IMO, NO rake is horrible in a rig. and tail draggin is even worse, you will look like a bro dozer then. Can you get a higher rear spring? I would go that route instead of a lower front....just some food for thought.

 

[kojackJKU]

I am also working with a well known Jeep accessories company about getting some patriot parts developed now. My rig is going to be the test bed. and this is not cheap crap either. Looking at heavy duty control arms, drive shafts, proper spring lifts with upgraded shocks, swaybar discos, skids, bumper guards etc. Might want to toss a bug in the ear of the nay sayers over on the "other site". Since they think I'm full of ****.

We are looking at a montube strut, and a spring lift with tuned springs and about 1.5" of lift. Also looking to see about getting a custom set of airbags developed as well.

 

[jhill15]

Yes, always have some rake left in your rig. 100% level is not good, and it actually upsets driving dynamics. I put a 3" leveling kit on my 2008 F150 when I had it, it leveled it out, however it rode like ****, handled like **** and was horrible with any amount of weight in the back. I then put 2" in the rear to bring back some rake and the smooth ride returned, and the proper handling etc. My JK unlimited now has rake in it and it works awesome. IMO, NO rake is horrible in a rig. and tail draggin is even worse, you will look like a bro dozer then. Can you get a higher rear spring? I would go that route instead of a lower front....just some food for thought.

I completely agree. The 81481 moog spring is the tallest they make. I could always go rro on the rear springs only...but that would cost a **** ton lol. It sucks that I have spent some money to figure this build out but at the same time I am figuring a lot out. I do t wanna go lower but at the same time even .5 inch higher in the front just bugs me and I hate seeing those rides where the rear end looks like it's struggling to make it cause it has so much weight in it. But at the same time I'm thinking about how much stress I've had on my cv's and even though I just got my new ones...not put on, but I still don't wanna put too much stress on them.

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[kojackJKU]

Cool, put the lower spring on front and call er done. I'm sure you will still be happy. In reality a lift is not needed to fit any tire on the pat since the spring perch is where the issues are and lift does not affect that.

 

[jhill15]

Cool, put the lower spring on front and call er done. I'm sure you will still be happy. In reality a lift is not needed to fit any tire on the pat since the spring perch is where the issues are and lift does not affect that.

Lol my wife agrees lol...well not with the spring perch...cause she doesn't understand it. She would just say...huh! Lol.

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[kojackJKU]

ha ha. get the new shafts in there tho!

 

[jhill15]

ha ha. get the new shafts in there tho!

Yessir this thursday!

Thanks man!

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[jhill15]

Here ya go Kojack! I finally put on my light bar mount. I figured bolting would be the best way to mount it...but if I ever wanted to remove it I would have to take the front end off, so I just screwed it into the fascia. After looking at the pics I can't tell if it's the camera or if thing is bent and manufactured very poorly lol...maybe all three lol.

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[Darkrider]

I think you are right about it being all three. It does look like its higher on the right side then the left. So with the new planned set up how much taller are you over the original height? I have been reading this thread over a couple times to fully understand what all was changed. I like the stance you have now on your Patriot and would def try to get to a similar spec if i ever picked up a 'riot or a Compass.

 

[jhill15]

I think you are right about it being all three. It does look like its higher on the right side then the left. So with the new planned set up how much taller are you over the original height? I have been reading this thread over a couple times to fully understand what all was changed. I like the stance you have now on your Patriot and would def try to get to a similar spec if i ever picked up a 'riot or a Compass.

Thanks man!
I may try and re-align the mount and see if I can get it more straight on the fascia. It traveled all the way from China in a tiny box so I will just assume that it took some bumps along the way lol.

The springs that I'm gonna have put on...hopefully Thursday as long as they make it to my door in time, will lower my front end by 1.5 inches. Which will make me about an inch lower in front than the rear. The set up I have right now there's too much stress on my cv axles...which I am also having replaced. Lifts have been done over and over on these little rigs and for some reason I've had nothing but trouble with it...since I lifted it, but I think it just needs some tweaking to get all the bugs out.

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[kojackJKU]

I still believe that you had all those issues and that just the act of moving everything and it all went to hell in a hand basket. You only lift 1/2" higher than mine stock. IT should not make a difference. That being said, at least you know you have a solid rig now. and I think your bar is bent up on one end for sure.

 

[jhill15]

I still believe that you had all those issues and that just the act of moving everything and it all went to hell in a hand basket. You only lift 1/2" higher than mine stock. IT should not make a difference. That being said, at least you know you have a solid rig now. and I think your bar is bent up on one end for sure.

Yeah the entire front was definitely screwed up before I lifted it. The sway bar and end links and cv's...I wouldn't be surprised if my control arm bushings are shot as well lol. I should have fixed everything prior to lifting it.

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[jhill15]

Installed my light bar this morning. I didn't get to run my wiring through The fascia like I wanted due to the metal bumper. When I install my tow hooks I will run it better.

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[heehawhardy]

Those 225's plus wheel spacers will be great fit for my setup. They look amazing on your Pat