billiebob
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No need to pre heat anything. And the heat pumps in electric vehicles are instant heat.
2022 Ford F-150 Lightning Electric Truck
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billiebob
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I'm not sure the lighning is targeting extended overland expeditions.
Their target market is the urban commuter.
98% who never leave pavement.
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If only the Lightning used the space where the gas engine should be as a massive trunk....oh wait ;-)
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Lol... Don't ya love how the 2% of truck owners complains about a truck designed for 98% of the population..haha.
Lovetheworld
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It is still possible but depends on payload and whay your cruising speed is.
It just takes slightly more time. Which I guess you don't have?
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I won't have the "extra time" until I retire...haha.
Grassland
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An EV F250 would be a game changer for work in the city. I think the transit is supposed to come out with something like that.
If there was a reg cab Long box lightning then I could get behind that for work as well. At least for a service only truck. Typically have 2000# of stuff in/on the vehicle all the time which is why I retired my F150 from fleet.
Give it another five years and I bet the range will increase on the lightning while keeping same footprint
If there was a reg cab Long box lightning then I could get behind that for work as well. At least for a service only truck. Typically have 2000# of stuff in/on the vehicle all the time which is why I retired my F150 from fleet.
Give it another five years and I bet the range will increase on the lightning while keeping same footprint
NorthwestDriver
Active member
To underline the point that this really only
has appeal for urban travelers, I did some fuel cost comparisons.
A few EV blogs are estimating the 300m range model has a 155kW battery. Using DC fast charging prices ($.43/kW from Electrify America and also the stations run by my utility), it would cost $66 to charge from 0-100%. My 2009 4.6L 3V F150 gets over 20 mpg highway, using a conservative 20mpg for mountain driving and $3.30/gal, I spend $49.50 for 300m of range. Keep in mind the difference is likely greater as EVs fair less well in open Highway cruising.
For city driving, which would be all at home charging at $.12/kWh, would cost $18.60 for 300+m of range (city range is probably a bit higher than the reported number). I’d spend $71 for comparable range in my gas F150 (14mpg, which is fairly low but my AT tires are killing my city driving).
Since the majority of my driving is city and inter-city Highway within 100mi of home, an EV vehicle definitely still makes sense. However, it might make even more sense to rent an ICE SUV for long road trips —fuel costs will greatly offset the rental cost, there will be no long waits at chargers, no range anxiety, and I can let my toddler eat in the backseat (no eating in Daddy’s new truck!).
I’m estimating about $1400/yr fuel savings with an EV truck. I presume that would go right to the insurance man. Registration in my county is about $150/yr plus $80 per $10,000 of value. A new $60k truck would be $630. That’s before 10.5% sales tax. Ouch.
has appeal for urban travelers, I did some fuel cost comparisons.
A few EV blogs are estimating the 300m range model has a 155kW battery. Using DC fast charging prices ($.43/kW from Electrify America and also the stations run by my utility), it would cost $66 to charge from 0-100%. My 2009 4.6L 3V F150 gets over 20 mpg highway, using a conservative 20mpg for mountain driving and $3.30/gal, I spend $49.50 for 300m of range. Keep in mind the difference is likely greater as EVs fair less well in open Highway cruising.
For city driving, which would be all at home charging at $.12/kWh, would cost $18.60 for 300+m of range (city range is probably a bit higher than the reported number). I’d spend $71 for comparable range in my gas F150 (14mpg, which is fairly low but my AT tires are killing my city driving).
Since the majority of my driving is city and inter-city Highway within 100mi of home, an EV vehicle definitely still makes sense. However, it might make even more sense to rent an ICE SUV for long road trips —fuel costs will greatly offset the rental cost, there will be no long waits at chargers, no range anxiety, and I can let my toddler eat in the backseat (no eating in Daddy’s new truck!).
I’m estimating about $1400/yr fuel savings with an EV truck. I presume that would go right to the insurance man. Registration in my county is about $150/yr plus $80 per $10,000 of value. A new $60k truck would be $630. That’s before 10.5% sales tax. Ouch.
skyfree
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The range thing is my biggest reservation about electric vehicles. My diesel ZR2 has a realistic range of 575 miles, but as most people do, I'm not likely to run it more than 500 since I don't like running around on a nearly empty tank. So a 300 mile range means probably about 250 (or less) realistically -- half.
Range is why I went with diesel. My VW Touareg TDI (cheater dieselgate) once took me 700 miles on a single tank. It's a luxury that I'm reluctant to give up. I do spend an unusual amount of time travelling some lonely roads like Highway 50 east of Fallon, NV and Highway 95 south of there.
Of course the day is coming when all new vehicles will be electric. As a consumer and someone interested in preserving the environment I hope they find a way to put more range in these things without hauling around tons of battery which requires many kilograms of lithium carbonate. Mining the lithium is very destructive and estimates are that 200-300,000 tons of it would be required to electrify the US fleet of vehicles for the next 20 years.
Range is why I went with diesel. My VW Touareg TDI (cheater dieselgate) once took me 700 miles on a single tank. It's a luxury that I'm reluctant to give up. I do spend an unusual amount of time travelling some lonely roads like Highway 50 east of Fallon, NV and Highway 95 south of there.
Of course the day is coming when all new vehicles will be electric. As a consumer and someone interested in preserving the environment I hope they find a way to put more range in these things without hauling around tons of battery which requires many kilograms of lithium carbonate. Mining the lithium is very destructive and estimates are that 200-300,000 tons of it would be required to electrify the US fleet of vehicles for the next 20 years.
onemanarmy
Explorer
This will expedite the end of the ICE for everyday use. They'll sell so many of these things that the charging infrastructure ( a major turnoff for most car buyers) will naturally be increased and buffed up. Which in turn will entice more EV buyers.
I've never understood why it took this long to make an electric version of the best selling vehicle in America for 30 years now....why they wasted so much time on Cmax hybrids and Fusion hybrids.
I've never understood why it took this long to make an electric version of the best selling vehicle in America for 30 years now....why they wasted so much time on Cmax hybrids and Fusion hybrids.
calicamper
Expedition Leader
$ is the only reason
Trucks were / are huge profit products at least they were before Car standards were applied to them regarding crash gear and mileage.
NorthwestDriver
Active member
Charging at home is where the most meaningful savings are. Anyone with time of use pricing can really benefit. I don’t have that available here in Washington state.
The DC fast charging at $.43/kWh works out to $4.40 per gallon equivalent (assuming a 20mpg Highway truck). This can get a bit cheaper with some of the fast chargers that offer discounts with memberships (EA is $.31/kWh with a $4/mo fee). There’s definitely a savings for some, but it’s not nearly as extreme as people expect with typical EV designs that chase low profiles and drag coefficients. The conventional truck profile comes with a substantial drawback in terms of efficiency.
As I’ve been mulling this over, I don’t think buying a 300m “extended” range model makes sense for me. It’s forecasted to cost $10,000 for an added 70 miles, and I just don’t drive that far on a regular basis. Hmm… I’m really looking forward to getting more info on pricing and specifications!
85_Ranger4x4
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It is almost as funny as all the people that think 98% of the truck population is only used for urban commutes.
Which is kinda worthless for truck things...
If you could get buy just hauling stuff in the frunk you could get buy hauling your junk in a car.
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