4wd drive vs 2wd w/locker

BajaSportsmobile

Baja Ironman
An "open" 4wd will go everywhere a locked 2wd will go - tho opposite cannot be said.

I've driven thousands of off-road miles in the 2wd spooled (the ultimate locker) trucks and they will not go where a open 4wd will go and will get stuck long before.
 

86scotty

Cynic
How about your 2wd van, and tow a cheap small 4x4 . My amigo was only $500 and very capable on the trails
Leave the van at basecamp, and you have a spare vehicle if needed
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This is a good option for the OP. I would not have thought about it before I found a $3k YJ and towed it behind my old van on a trip because I needed to have Derek at CCV work on my van for a few days. I towed from TN to CO and back and got only 1 mpg less than usual everywhere except the mountains of Colorado, where it dropped about 3 mpg. Also, this was a fully converted 5.4 EB van at 9300#. It did great, but this isn't exactly a solution that will get you to a secluded campsite.

Anyway, it does allow you to more or less get 4WD for just a few thousand bucks. Remember about $1k for a tow bar, cables, lights, etc. Around 3k you are legal in the East at least to tow without aux brakes. I didn't need them with mine, it stopped the Jeep easily.
 

toylandcruiser

Expedition Leader
An "open" 4wd will go everywhere a locked 2wd will go - tho opposite cannot be said.

I've driven thousands of off-road miles in the 2wd spooled (the ultimate locker) trucks and they will not go where a open 4wd will go and will get stuck long before.

An open 4wd will not go everywhere a locked 2wd will. This is kind of the same situation. A super flexy open land rover vs locked stiff sprung rover. A locked 2wd will always have at least one tire on the ground moving it along. An open 4wd will not always have a powered tire on the ground.

http://youtu.be/dBNPZFNOK-4


Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
 

Cole

Expedition Leader
The way I look at it, if you can afford 4X4, you should have it, if you can't, you should claim you don't need it.

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By far the dumbest comment so far! (And a great way to throw a blanket insult at everyone in the thread that thinks there is value in 2wd....way to go):coffeedrink:You must be the guy they were talking about above that spent more time hunting than in school.

Seriously, what a complex you must have about 4x4 vans!:coffeedrink:

But, you're probably right! :coffeedrink: I bought both of my 2wd vans because I couldn't afford a 4x4. Good thing they were those cheapy vans too. (VW Eurovan Westfalia and a Sprinter LWB:coffeedrink:) I had to suffer with these inadequate cheap vans because I had accidentally filled my garage with 2 classic Porsches, a modern Porsche turbo (4x4 btw:coffeedrink:), a rare Audi (4wd) and 4 more motorcycles. (Mostly cheapy KTM and BMW crap..:coffeedrink:...wel except for the two really cheap ones were are traveling the world on that are stored away from here)

But....maybe someday I will be able to afford the pimp cargo van where both sets of wheels turn:coffeedrink:


Sometimes the cost vs. Benefit of a mod just isn't there for everyone! Wasting money doesn't mean you can afford it!
 
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ujoint

Supporting Sponsor
I might have been misunderstood...
My statement was aimed at the OP's Needs based on what type of driving was mentioned.
Of course 4x4 would be tits! But if we could all afford it Chris would be driving a ... Chris, what would you be driving? Lol

Do you mean if everyone had a UJ van and I had a ton of $$ what would I be driving!?!? Don't get me going on fantasy time.. :D

Chris would be driving.... A VAN MAN! Well, maybe he would plop an LS1 in his E36.

True, i would have even more vans! I fixed the M3, stock engine is just fine for now. Drives great! Just need some decent weather so I can drive it more.
 

John W

Observer
This thread is selling me on getting a locker for the rear and front.

On uneven terrain it seems easy for diagonally opposite 4x4 wheels to lose traction.

Something I had not thought of in this video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcRBYpccP6g

In 4x4 mode, if you have 1 wheel that slips, does that mean that all the engine power would go to that wheel?
I though the transfer case splits the power evenly between front and rear. Would that assumption be incorrect?
 

toylandcruiser

Expedition Leader
This thread is selling me on getting a locker for the rear and front.

On uneven terrain it seems easy for diagonally opposite 4x4 wheels to lose traction.

Something I had not thought of in this video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcRBYpccP6g

In 4x4 mode, if you have 1 wheel that slips, does that mean that all the engine power would go to that wheel?
I though the transfer case splits the power evenly between front and rear. Would that assumption be incorrect?

The transfer case splits it front and rear not side to side.


Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
 

toylandcruiser

Expedition Leader
That I know.
But maybe you're being sarcastic or humorous.
Still doesn't answer the question.

I did. The transfer case is front rear. The only way anything is transferred side to side is a limited slip. A locker locks both sides together and therefore doesn't transfer power from side to side.


Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
 

T.Low

Expedition Leader
These are some simple little scenarios that we've come across while overlanding, and since camp spots were brought up, I've included the corresponding camp spots. While it may be debate able wether or not I could thrash a 2wd hi range w/locker and get through, it certainly doesn't mean it's the safe way or the right way. Little margin for error in 2wd, really could complicate things, but routinely simple in 4wd.

Here you can see the havoc a little rain can have on an otherwise benign two-track. This is easily navigated with 2wd when dry, but very hazardous with some rain. The slightest off camber can easily make the rear of a 2wd difficult to manage. In this scenario, a locker can even be worse.
You can see both rear wheels are spinning. Yes , he locks in the front hubs, but then doesn't shift into 4 wd until he gives it a few more tries in 2wd. Finally shifts into 4wd around 1:30 mark of video, and easily crawls back up onto the muddy two track.


That is the route you have to take to camp here.

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This 8 mile long trail, rated "easy 4x4", has incredible camping at and near the top. This is a good illustration of when you want to crawl in low range 4wd. The only time I've seen a guy on this trail not in low range, he overheated 1/2 way up, and had to pull off the side and pop the hood of his 2nd Gen 4Runner.

Example of popular 4x4 trail with camping for full size van.




That is the only route that leads to camping at this mountain lake.

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It's local knowledge that this particular creek crossing is deceptively soft and nobody makes it in 2wd. We were not locals. I didn't mention it to my buddy, :) but I was in 4wd. He didn't think much about it and hit it in 2wd and got stuck. He was able to back out, then it was no problem in 4wd.


This is the only route that leads to this camp spot.

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On a particular Memorial Day weekend we took FS roads from one town over a mountain pass to another town. All was warm and clear until we hit this snow covered incline section of shelf road , which was super easy and relatively safe in 4wd. A 2wd , even with a locker, would be a lot easier to break lose on the snowy incline and start sliding sideways. Maybe could have made it, but margin of error is that much less.



Then we encountered a bit of an icey, snowy, mud bog, most of which is around the corner before the van drives into camera view. Again, I could have thrashed it in 2wd, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.



With 4wd on this trip, I was able to maneuver to a nice little vista for the night.

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Same trip.

These examples are not gnarly at all, and that's the point. As simple as they are in 4wd, a 2wd van could really get immobilized quite easily in any one of these common overlanding scenarios. While it's debatable wether or not you could thrash your locked, winched, 2wheeler through them, it's not debatable that thrashing vans can more easily cause breakage, and people to get stranded. All was routinely stress free in 4wd.
 
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toylandcruiser

Expedition Leader
That I know.
But maybe you're being sarcastic or humorous.
Still doesn't answer the question.

I did. The transfer case is front rear. The only way anything is transferred side to side is a limited slip. A locker locks both sides together and therefore doesn't transfer power from side to side.


Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
 

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