All Terrain Warriors campers

whatcharterboat

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Fabulous work, John! Thanks for sharing. When will ATW open a store in Los Angeles?

When you can, tell us more about the 'round the world truck project. Will it use your Scout camper, or a larger model?

No worries Chip. I'll do a write up on the RTW truck in a couple of weeks. It's quite an effort. We couldn't build a Scout for him in his timeframe. He is fitting around the African wet season so there isn't much leeway. His next best option was for us to build the base frame and one of the local and very well respected Offroad caravan builders (Phoenix) to build the living quarters on top of that. This will be one of the best optioned FG's ever built. Think Doug Hackney's truck crossed with an Army tank only smaller.

He will have his own website which I'll link to as well.

Regards John.
 

kerry

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Wow! Can you lay out what you see to be the advantages of the coil suspension over leaf? I assume it provides more travel?
 

whatcharterboat

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Can you lay out what you see to be the advantages of the coil suspension over leaf? I assume it provides more travel?

Hey Kerry. How are ya?

Well I suppose if you google "coils vs leaf" you'd get a fair idea of the benefits but basically >>> Yes. It will have more travel. About 12 inches at the shock/coils so that will equate to more like 14 or 16 inches of actual wheel travel and another thing is that around here we worry about sand getting between the leaves and causing havoc and corrosion particularly on the beach. Using coils obviously eliminates this.

Also coils also have a smoother action especially when the movement is restricted or rather directed by the control arms. 4 arms on the front plus a panhard rod and 4 on the rear with a Watts linkage to centre the rear diff and allow easier articulation. I've been away for the last week so I haven't had a chance to drive it yet but that's what we're predicting. The corrugations will be the test.

I'm sure there will be some experimentation with the actual coils but the hard work in designing the linkages is all over. Man, my boss was working till midnight on the CAD designs for the last couple of months. At least that's over. The guys that supplied the coils are old family friends and they tell me they have the only machine in the Southern Hemisphere that can taper wire fora coil spring to give it a progressive action. Normally a progressive coil will be wound tighter or looser to give this result so I quess tapered progressive coils will be the next step in the process.

Finally something that you won't find on Google about the benefits of coils, in this case anyway, is that my boss has designed the conversion so that the coils can be slid out of their brackets and removed in a few minutes. The idea behind this is that it will drop the height of the truck quickly by about 8 inches to help with containerization. I know that a poptop will fit in a container already but we're looking at roof racks and possibly even a hard sided camper with the help of small disc wheels as well.
 

whatcharterboat

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whatcharterboat

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Had a PM asking for some more pics of the coils. So here you go.

The truck has gone to Fraser Island for a week or so, but we hope to fine tune it alot more before we're happy enough to release it. Floating is about the best descrition. Reminded me of an early Range Rover. We only just finished the front so the rear coils will still be a few weeks away. The previous pic and the one below are with the truck hanging off the forklift and the wheels just touching the ground. So at full extension on the limit straps. Still had to sort the brake lines here too. Also we're going to add in-cab air control for the shocks to stiffen up for the road.
Enjoy.

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whatcharterboat

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APE. Look at www.winch.com.au They are the only electric winch we use now. Same brand as the Army uses. BTW We are developing a 12v hydraulic one hopefully for next year.

Read the thread "Electric winches on expo trucks" in the general camper discussion section. Conversation there about hydraulic winches V electric.
 

kerry

Expedition Leader
Had a PM asking for some more pics of the coils. So here you go.

The truck has gone to Fraser Island for a week or so, but we hope to fine tune it alot more before we're happy enough to release it. Floating is about the best descrition. Reminded me of an early Range Rover. We only just finished the front so the rear coils will still be a few weeks away. The previous pic and the one below are with the truck hanging off the forklift and the wheels just touching the ground. So at full extension on the limit straps. Still had to sort the brake lines here too. Also we're going to add in-cab air control for the shocks to stiffen up for the road.
Enjoy.

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That's very impressive. Any idea how many hours of work the conversion took? Is Fuso looking at your work?
 

whatcharterboat

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Any idea how many hours of work the conversion took?

Hey Kerry, The CAD design alone seemed to take forever and we had to make some changes along the way. Well we still are so ask me again after we've done a couple more. We're trying to fit 2 more in before Xmas and we still haven't done a rear conversion yet. The plan is to eventually market a kit but that's still a way off.
 

whatcharterboat

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I was reading that reveiw of the earthcruser where the reveiwer says that the cab-to-camper boot pops off every time the truck does any severe twisting.

Is this typical, or have ATW developed the boots further, so this is not a problem?

Hi Leon. We have never had a problem with the cab-to-camper boot (BTW we just call it a "sock" ) coming off. Rarely a new truck may leak there when we do our fire hose / water ingress test but we always rectify that before they go out the door. Obviously.

The pic below was one that Mickldo took at the Camping show and you can see how the sock on a NPS looks at almost full articulation. Note how the rubber is a wrinkled and the frames are out of alignment. The FG may move fractionally more but they still never "come off". I can't even imagine how this could happen. You would have to actually tear the rubber and to do that you would be talking a lot of separation between the cab and body. Far more than you could ever experience short of a serious rock-crawling accident, elephant gone wild or rocket attack, etc.

BTW Leon I sent you a PM. Oh and we started on a SWB pop top this week. Thought you'd be interested. Hoping to do front and rear coils on it so I think it will be a real off road weapon when it's finished but with everything else on the go that probably won't be until very early next year.

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Mickldo

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I have been offline for a while as my laptop died but I have a new one now.

Looking good with the coils John. Are there any sway bars planned? I am not a fan of sway bars on 4bys and I don't have any on my cruiser (they "fell" off ;-) ) but I really like the new cruiser system (Kinetic??) and the old Land Rover ACE system.
 

whatcharterboat

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Has ATW ever built a pop-top camper that is passenger worthy. Or should I say a pop top that can withstand a roll-over with passengers inside?

Hi Leon,

To be passenger worthy here, our main authority is quite strict on seat belt mounting and to a lesser extent, seating but "roll over" protection is something that we have to provide on the buses always and if you go over 18 passengers "roll over protection" reaches a whole new level involving actual destructive testing. In other words providing a 2 metre long slice of the vehicle (chassis included with a percentage of the total weight, engine, diffs, etc.) and flipping it over on a test bed which simulates an actual roll over. Then we have foam cutouts of passengers with pins protruding which are measured to see if the frame has momentarily made contact. Really expensive and time consuming but hey, we are talking about personal safety and it has to be proven not just speculated on.

So as a result most of our larger motorhomes have been designed and built utilising the same test data as for the buses. I only know of one of our motorhomes that has actually rolled over. It went over down a rocky gully. The FG cab sustained alot of damage but the composite camper section, other than the roof rack and the spare wheel racks, was virtually unscathed. Everydoor still opened and the only glass that broke in the rear was in the entry door and that was resting on a bolder. So I guess that's a bit of a testimony.

Pop-tops however are a little different and that was what you asked about. Obviously by not having a "fixed" roof the integrity is comprimised to a certain extent so if passenger seating is required then best practice is to have this as close to the cab as possible so that in any event the cab would provide some roll over protection. Again the seatbelt mounting is one of the main concerns but don't go thinking composite construction isn't up to it. Afterall it's what they make crash helmets out of and if laid up correctly can be extremely tough.



Are there any sway bars planned?

Hi Mick , Thought something must have happened. No sway bars planned. We're trialing an in-cab air adjustment system on the shocks which should negate this. Not as easy as it sounds. Trying to source valves and gauges that will be suitable. All the air bag in-cab kits are too low. Had planned to "T" in some poly-airs for instant shock control but the pressures weren't compatable. Let you know how we get on.

BTW Next time you're down I'll take you over to the guy who makes the shocks for us and show you his race buggy. He's just up the street. Mid mounted 700hp+, 6speed auto transaxle with a detroit locker in it, 28" of wheel travel and active suspension. Saw it drive off the semi trailer with no ramps!!! Suspension's set up so when it gets airborne it stays level rather than let the rear flick up as you go over a bump. I know you'll appreciate the engineering. Good to hear from you. Regards John.
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