Any built 300tdi D1 owners here?

[R_Lefebvre]

Components and wiring age and have to be replaced = a lot of work and expense.

True enough. But is it really any different than mechanical devices? Everything ages.

Your power windows don't work, so you remove them and put manual cranks to fix it. Did you fix it because you removed the electronics, or did you fix it because you fit new mechanisms?

I've had many manual crank window regulators fail on older cars. It happens. Is the solution to fit power windows?

 

[David Harris]

True enough. But is it really any different than mechanical devices? Everything ages.

Your power windows don't work, so you remove them and put manual cranks to fix it. Did you fix it because you removed the electronics, or did you fix it because you fit new mechanisms?

I've had many manual crank window regulators fail on older cars. It happens. Is the solution to fit power windows?

True, but the complexity of motors and the complexity of electronics are two different stories. I admit, I'm not much of a wiring guy, though. Maybe if I were a NASA engineer, I would say, ****, and have it fixed in ten minutes. Who knows?

If a regulator on a manual window fails out in the middle of nowhere, I can probably fix it so it will work on the spot. If my power window motor goes out, it ain't gonna work until I get to somewhere where I can buy a new one. Besides, I'm saving a lot of weight and complexity getting rid of all that wiring and non-essential hardware. Why don't Defenders have power windows if they're so great? (Maybe the new one's do though . . . I bet the 2013 has them standard.)

 

[Yorker]

I've had many manual crank window regulators fail on older cars. It happens. Is the solution to fit power windows?

Nope- Sliding glass.

Wow even the front pane of glass slides!! such luxury!!

:sombrero:

 

[David Harris]

Nope- Sliding glass.

Wow even the front pane of glass slides!! such luxury!!

:sombrero:

Now that's reliability!

Anyway, I think we have now officially hijacked this 300 Tdi thread!:ylsmoke:

 

[R_Lefebvre]

True, but the complexity of motors and the complexity of electronics are two different stories. I admit, I'm not much of a wiring guy, though. Maybe if I were a NASA engineer, I would say, ****, and have it fixed in ten minutes. Who knows?

If a regulator on a manual window fails out in the middle of nowhere, I can probably fix it so it will work on the spot. If my power window motor goes out, it ain't gonna work until I get to somewhere where I can buy a new one. Besides, I'm saving a lot of weight and complexity getting rid of all that wiring and non-essential hardware. Why don't Defenders have power windows if they're so great? (Maybe the new one's do though . . . I bet the 2013 has them standard.)

Good, then you get my point. It's not that electronics are necessarily that much less reliable, just that more people are comfortable with mechanical things because they can SEE the problem. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just today I was working in the plant. We're shut down for regular maintenance. We had the power shut off to work on the electrical switchgear. I'm standing in front of the 600V capacitor bank with a vacuum cleaner, very nervous about going in.

I'm sure an electronics guy would check the grounds on the window circuit, check voltage under load, etc, find the problem, and fix it.

I never said power windows were so great. I just said they aren't that bad. Interestingly, the Lotus Elise, a very no-nonsense lightweight sports car, doesn't even have carpets... but it has power windows. The power windows are actually lighter than the manual crank regulator.

The problem with lack of visibility is exacerbated by the fact that the OEM's have chosen to with-hold access to the electronic black boxes as a means to create a revenue stream. However, there is an industry in Europe which cracks the codes and gives us control. But in NA, we just throw our hands up and take it to the dealer.

People here will spend $200 on an ABS Amigo, which does nothing but read codes and clear them. But it does it with almost ZERO operator involvement. Plug it in, wait for the blinky lights, and it's done. But $400 for a Hawkeye, that reads, displays, and clears codes, tests sensors and actuators, etc.... that's too much money, and it's too complex, so nobody buys it.

 

[David Harris]

Interestingly, the Lotus Elise, a very no-nonsense lightweight sports car, doesn't even have carpets... but it has power windows. The power windows are actually lighter than the manual crank regulator.

That must be one lightweight power window motor to be lighter than a hand crank! Have any pics? Then there is always the method used on my old Austin Healey, side curtains . . . Now that's lightweight. Got 50 MPG on that car too . . .

 

[R_Lefebvre]

Nope, no pictures. But knowing Lotus, the power window motor serves at least two functions. It's probably part of the door hinge assembly or something.

 

[David Harris]

Nope, no pictures. But knowing Lotus, the power window motor serves at least two functions. It's probably part of the door hinge assembly or something.

 

[Nonimouse]

Yorker

You certainly do have some fine mountains. The first time I saw the Rockies, they took my breath away, and everytime since... Lucky people you lot

As for Td5's and their toughness - I used to be a Land Rover Experience Instructor, back when it was a proper job and not a marketing ploy. We caned the hell out of the TD5 in both Disco and Defender form - on road and off road; all we ever broke was the drive train. I've ramped them to hell and back in eastern europe - same result. Good lump

 

[David Harris]

Yorker

You certainly do have some fine mountains. The first time I saw the Rockies, they took my breath away, and everytime since... Lucky people you lot

As for Td5's and their toughness - I used to be a Land Rover Experience Instructor, back when it was a proper job and not a marketing ploy. We caned the hell out of the TD5 in both Disco and Defender form - on road and off road; all we ever broke was the drive train. I've ramped them to hell and back in eastern europe - same result. Good lump

OK, OK! I'm going to have to bow on this one . . . I'd like to give the TD5 a try someday. Glad to meet you, Nonimouse! :beer:

David

 

[DarthBeaver]

Sure, WeatherPack connectors, and potting compound. There are lots of electronics available that are 100% waterproof. I have a digital camera that is waterproof to 3 feet.

see now thats info that is good. maybe a thread on how to waterproof the components?

and I am the guy who took an iPad camping in a dry bag... so I get ya!

 

[Yorker]

On one of the South African or Australian boards there was a good thread outlining the known issues with the TD5, but I can't find it. Dig around with google and i am sure you'll find a few though.

 

[Viggen]

For the calculations I did to determine the R+Ps I ignored the OD ratio and used 1:1 (which would be either 3rd with the slush box or 4th gear with a stick shift). You don't really need to put in the OD ratio to do those calculations.

I was also trying to see at what rpm it would be spinning at 65 mph. I understand and completely agree with your other statement. I dont need it to be a powerhouse or speed demon. If I did, I would put a 4.8 Chevy LS motor in it like what my dad has in his GMC. It tows, cruises and is no slouch at all and does it at 20 mpg hwy. If I can do 65 mph with me, one or two other people and camp/ recovery gear, Im a happy camper. I dont need much. If I want to have fun, I have a 58 MGA, 72 MGB GT and 79 MGB V8 for that.

That must be one lightweight power window motor to be lighter than a hand crank! Have any pics? Then there is always the method used on my old Austin Healey, side curtains . . . Now that's lightweight. Got 50 MPG on that car too . . .

Motors are lightweight now and if they fail, you can always directly power them off a battery source to roll them up or down since its usually the switch that fails and not the motor itself. If the motor does fail, you can always remove the panel and roll it down by hand. BTW, your Healey got 50 mpg because it was powered by a 948 or 1098. No 1275 powered Sprite does that. And it has to be a Sprite since a 100 and 3000 cant touch that number either.



So, with 33's, 4.10s probably wont do it then.

 

[David Harris]

Viggen, here is a great gear ratio calculator to try. It has all the components programmed in and you just select what you want. Breaks everything down at any gear and speed. :

www.grimmjeeper.com

BTW. Now that I think about it, the calculator doesn't have the LR Autos programmed in, so you'll have to enter them manually. The ratios for the ZF HP22 are 2.48, 1.48, 1, .728, not sure about reverse.

 

[Viggen]

Thats a great calculator. So, with 4.56 gears, stock transfer case gearing, and 33's, 65mph nets me ~2680 rpm. Where is a stock 300tdi powered Disco at rpm wise at 65mph? Is 2680 rpm too high?