Barn Door for JK factory hardtops

jscherb

Expedition Leader
I like the idea of the Spice colored wheels, but think the smoothies need a more rugged/large tire or maybe just a solid black side wall, to look good.
Of course this is just my personal opinion.
Wonder what your stock wheels would look like with the hole areas done in Spice?

I agree about the tires, I wasn't trying to make a career of photo-editing this idea, it was just a quick install of the wheels :).

I did a photo-edit of your "holes in Spice" idea and it's so ugly I'm not going to post it, sorry.
 

jscherb

Expedition Leader
That's what I figured.
Did I read correctly that the barndoor will be going into production?

There have been two companies that have expressed interest in marketing the barn door as an option for factory hardtops, including one of the Jeep catalog companies, but I don't believe there would be enough interest in the barn door as a standalone product to make it worthwhile to get it into production.

But I'll put it out there to see what people think... what would people pay for a hard barn door, complete with:

- Mounting kit to attach barn door to tailgate
- Wiper and wiring harness to connect wiper to factory hardtop connection
- Washer nozzle and extension hose to connect to factory rear wiper hose
- Weatherstrip to replace factory hatch weatherstrip
- 2001 and later "wide hatch" hardtops - wide-swing hinges would be included to allow the barn door to work with the wider hardtop opening

Assume it comes delivered in "hardtop black", but you could paint it body color if you wanted.

A: $500?
B: $750?
C: $1000?

State which year JK you have when you answer.
 

thechadwick

New member
'08 jku Sahara, 750 for the package would be an instant purchase. Needing to paint and add a 200 dollar washer option quickly turns the door into an very expensive proposition. Would that include the modular hardware to mount accessories to the tailgate or a simple bracket for the upper? Would the package include glass? Without glass again things add up quickly. Making the wide swing hinges a standard kit for all would sure be nice.

I can see how the marketing of your projects becomes very time consuming. I imagine more than a few production irons in the fire at a time, and all your design and fabrication time goes out the window.
 

jscherb

Expedition Leader
'08 jku Sahara, 750 for the package would be an instant purchase. Needing to paint and add a 200 dollar washer option quickly turns the door into an very expensive proposition. Would that include the modular hardware to mount accessories to the tailgate or a simple bracket for the upper? Would the package include glass? Without glass again things add up quickly. Making the wide swing hinges a standard kit for all would sure be nice.
I'm not making a specific detailed product proposal, I was just trying to gauge interest, so I can't give definitive answers to most of your comments.

Window glass would have to be part of the package. It's actually not a very expensive part, RV-style windows could be sourced for less than $40 each in small quantities.

Things like hardware to mount accessories on the inside of the barn door would add cost, so I'd imagine they wouldn't make the cut for an entry-level price point.

Including wide-swing hinges with both the narrow and wider barn doors is a decision that could be made, but it would increase the price of the narrow version possibly unnecessarily for many people.

I can't imagine it could be delivered color-matched to the color of your choice at an entry-level price, probably the entry level would have to be black "hardtop match".

I can see how the marketing of your projects becomes very time consuming. I imagine more than a few production irons in the fire at a time, and all your design and fabrication time goes out the window.

Exactly. All of the above are decisions a company could make if they decided to take this on as a product - I don't have any plans turn this into a production product and sell it myself. My interest is mainly design and secondarily building a prototype or two for my own use (and sometimes building a prototype or two for friends' use), but I have no interest in being in business myself.

I am always willing to have conversations with companies or people who might want to take my designs to market.
 

DaveNay

Adventurer
I love this thread, even though I don't own a Jeep!

My only critique is I think the radius on the corner windows is visually incongruent since it doesn't match the factory window corner radius. Obviously you had to work with off the shelf windows so there isn't much that can be done without tooling up custom glass and framing.

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jscherb

Expedition Leader
I love this thread, even though I don't own a Jeep!

My only critique is I think the radius on the corner windows is visually incongruent since it doesn't match the factory window corner radius. Obviously you had to work with off the shelf windows so there isn't much that can be done without tooling up custom glass and framing.

Thanks.

Actually I didn't work with off-the-shelf windows, the glass in the hardtop is all custom. But I did design the window openings in the top to accept standard RV-style windows, which have a standard minimum radius. The reason I did that was in the event I decided to license the top to a company for production, they wouldn't be required to use expensive custom windows, which would increase the selling cost of the top. A company producing the top could use standard custom-sized RV windows, which are very affordable.
 

jscherb

Expedition Leader
I'm in the process of sewing a final soft barn door skin in Spice; the prototype was a camo print using fabric I just happened to have on hand. I posted a few photos of the sewing of the prototype, but now I'll post a little more detail because some people have expressed interest in making their own soft barn door. If what I post over the next few days still leaves anyone with questions about building your own, just ask questions and I'll try to provide more detail.


I made the frame back when I did the prototype, but here's a little more detail about it. The frame is mbade from 3/8" steel rod, which is the same thing most aftermarket half door upper frames are made from. There's a little bit of welding involved, but not too much. This photo is from when I made the prototype, comparing the frame to the hard barn door:

SoftBarnDoorFrame1_zpstskudnwj.jpg


The frame should be sized and shaped to follow the center of the weatherstrip around the hatch opening as can be seen in this next photo:

SoftBarnDoorFrameTest1_zpsc4vslbyz.jpg


It's also got to be curved in both directions in order to seal well, because the factory hatch opening is curved in both dimensions. In this photo the curves can be seen; the top curve is more gentle than the side curves but it's critical that both match the curve of the hardtop opening.

SoftBarnDoorFrame2_zpscu5czfm1.jpg


About the weatherstrip - a barn door won't seal properly against the factory weatherstrip, I wrote about it here: http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...for-JK-factory-hardtops?p=2087759#post2087759 If you're doing a barn door you'll need to do something similar to what I did with the weatherstrip.
 

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