CCW Pistol Recommendations

Corey

OverCamping Specialist
I have to many guns to buy :D
I am just wrapping up my AR15 upgrading, and I am waning to get the S&W AR15-22 so I can shoot it for pennies a day (and at the indoor range), plus I am getting more than likely a Glock 21 SF 45 ACP next week for home defense.

To also get a small concealed weapon like I have been thinking about would mean I have to many (is that possible ;) ) guns laying around.
If a Glock 21 SF can be concealed OK, I am OK with that.

My permit should be showing up any day, but I do not see myself carrying in the city at all, plus I can not have a gun in the vehicle at all while on company property.
I would mainly be having the Glock with me when I camp or hike in the back country.
I have ran across meth trailers before when camping in the back country several years ago, and now that I am back into camping again, I feel it would be wise to carry for up where I like to go.
 

Terrainist

Explorer
The things that concern me when buying a handgun to carry.

1. I do not want the thing accidentally discharging. So I look for multiple safeties. Slide lock and grip safety preferably. Some handguns so called "safeties" are lacking. This enables me to confidently carry the thing anyway I want - in a coat pocket with my hand on it as I walk a gauntlet. And I don't have to worry about vaporizing my nads if it is in my belt. Good safeties that stand a very slim chance of being accidentally defeated are the 1st thing I look for.

2. I look for a sweet trigger pull, I prefer a light double action.

3. I look for a caliber that doesn't have a recoil adverse to making a nice group in 3 or so seconds. There is a reason that quite a few law enforcement types go with .380, and you can get cartridges that suit you better in just about any caliber. Think Corban when it comes to cartridges.

4. Comfort, make sure you like the way it fits your hand. You like the how comfortable you are shooting it.

5. Accuracy, make sure you can put it where you want it easily.

6. Concealment, make sure you like the way you are going to do that.

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gary in ohio

Explorer
The things that concern me when buying a handgun to carry.

1. I do not want the thing accidentally discharging. So I look for multiple safeties.
2. I look for a sweet trigger pull, I prefer a light double action.
To me your #2 is directly opposite of your #1 statement.
In a carry gun you want a heavy trigger pull. You want to make sure
your really really really want to fire at something.

5. Accuracy, make sure you can put it where you want it easily.
Accuracy at your typical CCW distances, 20-30 ft.. You dont need a long range race gun.

6. Concealment, make sure you like the way you are going to do that.
And practice with your holster, Many ranges will not allow holster draws, but you need to at least dry practice. Practice with both summer and winter wear on...
 

Token

Explorer
OK.. Looks like you've found your gun.. I'm still gonna chime in..

I started thinking CC about 17 years back.. I shopped on budget and stupidity alone. My requirements at the time were 9mm and as cheap as I could find.. I finally found this cool little gun.. It was a bit smaller in my hand than I cared for and it looked like a POS, but it was new and cheap.. I think I recall giving something like $225 for it.. It was a FEG AP9.. It's a Walther PP knock off so it had the cool 007 vibe going for it. It shot pretty well best I could tell.. At 25 yds I could keep everything in the black at least. I shot it like you would a target gun.. Ran an easy thousand round through it. One day while cleaning I noticed what looks like a small crack forming in the receiver that holds the barrel.. So in the top of the closet it went with a full mag of Federal Hydroshoks. It's there close by in case it's needed, but it's not something I'd want to rely on..

So off to the gun shop I go again looking for something that would be a good CC.. My eyes and budget were a bit larger this time.. I got carried away and ended up buying a Taurus 357 with the idea of CC.. Sucker can drive tacks at 25 yards.. Oh yeah.. It has an 8 inch barrel..

So a friend of mine pops up on another forum a couple of weeks ago selling a Rock Island 1911 Tactical for peanuts.. So I jump on it..

Once again, I start thinking CC.. I quickly realize that while the 1911 is better suited for carry than the Taurus, it's still a bit to large for "0 print CC" which is what I'd need. I do sales and service for a security and access control company. Some areas of town are quite sketchy and I occasionally end up getting called out on serivce calls after hours behind an alarm signal.. Being that I have actually managed to show up on a fire call before the Fire Dept made it on scene, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before I manage to show up well before the police on one, which means there's a dang good chance of running into whatever set the alarm off in the first place..

All that said, I also deal with customers face to face on a daily basis and the sight of a gun tends to make most folks very uneasy. That in mind, I need total concealment..

I've been going over guns like a mad man since I picked up the 1911.. Without a doubt the most suitable gun I have found in the Walther PSS. I've looked at the PKK, due to the fact I really liked the AP9 prior to it's issues, but the rough edges and the hammer on the PPK could easily get hung up under a shirt when drawing much easier than a hammerless gun. I put a PPK and a PPS in my hand today.. The PPK feels a little short on the grip to me and my pinky falls under it. The PPK/S has an extended magazine, but it's just extended enough that I can't decide if my pinky goes on the grip or under..

The PPS however just feels right. Grip is the perfect length and the hand wrap around the grip is right too.. At least for me.. It's a very thin gun at .98 thick, so inside waistband carry with the shirt tucked would give a very good concealment and not a lot of bulk... The downside to the PPS is that it's safety is like a Glock.. There really isn't one. It has that double trigger safety thing.. With my luck I'll prolly blow a hole in my leg while trying to draw from the holster.. This of course would require of not keeping a round in the chamber.

Still thinking the PPS is what I'm looking for right now.. Far cry better for my needs than a .357 with a 8 inch barrel..

Oh yeah.. Another plus is that it comes in a .40. Someone told me the other day on CC.. .380 is a good deterant, 9mm will stop with a well placed shot, .40 is gonna stop with a hit, .45 is going to remove body parts from anything it hits..

I also realized today that for the average CC person, you should really consider laser sights. I still think they are hokey as hell, but the simple fact that in a high pressure situation you don't have time to properly aim through the sites. Much quicker and simpler to hit the switch on put the dot on the target. You put a dot on a target and chances are they are going to realize you don't have to figure out how to aim. That red dot quite simply means "this is where I WILL be shot", not someone is going to shoot in my direction. That alone will be enough to deter many would be issues without a single shot being fired.
 
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Scott B.

SE Expedition Society
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I also realized today that for the average CC person, you should really consider laser sights. I still think they are hokey as hell, but the simple fact that in a high pressure situation you don't have time to properly aim through the sites. Much quicker and simpler to hit the switch on put the dot on the target. You put a dot on a target and chances are they are going to realize you don't have to figure out how to aim. That red dot quite simply means "this is where I WILL be shot", not someone is going to shoot in my direction. That alone will be enough to deter many would be issues without a single shot being fired.

Laser sites are a great addition to a firearm - but, you need to practice with them, and get used to using/sighting with them. Yes, it is as simple as place the dot where you want to hit, but most people are not used to looking at the target - they look at the gun. Using laser sights requires a different mindset.

Practice, practice, practice...
 

Metcalf

Expedition Leader
You don't need ANY sights contact-to-7 yards. Statistically, a VERY high percentage of CCW encounters are going to be within that distance. Also, most training goes right at the window under stress. Getting offline away from the position of initial contact is most important. Your not going to be setting up a perfect stance and posture under fire.

On laser sights, make sure to check the function of the unit your are considering. For example, on 1911 laser-grip type sights, if your figure is off the trigger your most likely going to be blocking the beam if your a right handed shooter.

My personal favorite for sights is a .140 wide all black rear sight with a tritium dot ( and outlined or painted ) front sight . This give your only a single dot of a single color to worry about. With proper practice, your grip and presentation should be consistent enough to use a single front dot in low light conditions.

Just a few thoughts.
 

Storz

Explorer
Great reading, thanks.

While I have decided on the Bersa, I am somewhat going back and forth on weather to get the standard .380 Thunder or the CC version which has shaved down bits and pieces...

thun380_CC_mid.jpg
 

nwoods

Expedition Leader
You don't need ANY sights contact-to-7 yards. Statistically, a VERY high percentage of CCW encounters are going to be within that distance.


I can vouch for that. I'm on the finishing stages of constructing an indoor combination tactical & certification range for a local Police Dept. The range will handle calibers up to .223

The police said something like 90% of all weapons discharged in the field are under 7 yards. That's amazing to me, and significantly influenced our design of the range, target systems, lighting, prop capacity, and wall/deflection protection. The range master has agreed to let me play with their new assault rifle (M4?) when we open the range.
 

ssssnake529

Explorer
I've owned a number of CCW guns, including a Glock, Keltec, Walther, H&K, and Beretta.

My current carry is a Kahr in .40 SW caliber.

It's .40 power in a .380 size. It's very compact and concealable. I've got thousands of rounds through it with not a single misfire. Reasonably accurate for its length. I went with the all steel construction instead of polymer. The extra weight isn't noticeable when I carry, but helps tame the recoil.

All in all, I couldn't be happier.
 

BIGdaddy

Expedition Leader
Great reading, thanks.

While I have decided on the Bersa, I am somewhat going back and forth on weather to get the standard .380 Thunder or the CC version which has shaved down bits and pieces...

one thing to consider is that CC model mags and non CC model mags are not interchangable.

Might make the Regular model a bit more realistic due to mag availability, etc, but it wouldn't disuade me from getting the CC model.

The thing that made me choose the non-CC model is the sights. They are suitably reduced in the CC-model to be slick and snag-free out of a holster, but that makes it VERY hard to aim.

The regular Thunder has excellent sights, on the contrary, and never caused an issue for me during the times that I carried and had to reholster.
 

Storz

Explorer
Yeah I am leaning towards the standard 380 Thunder for price, mag availablity and holster availablity
 

xcmountain80

Expedition Leader
Save for the glock, it's always loaded and no need to remove the safety. I have a 17, 19, and 26 the 19 and 26 make better CCW weapons and there are enough round to make it count even if you miss. I like the weight of the 9mm when compared to my SW 4566.

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