Colorado ZR2 and Tacoma TRD Pro compared

[onemanarmy]

Mid sized trucks are not built for working and pulling. If you want a work truck get a 3/4 ton. You can get one for the same price as the Colorado and never complain about not being able to haul enough again. Bad argument.

My argument is solid.

A 3/4 ton truck is overkill for 90% of the avg. Joe homeowner.

'Working' for a truck can take many meanings. GM and their designers and engineers would rather have some huge piece of plastic (that does not affect crash worthiness) hanging off the front of the truck versus allowing better airflow, for whatever work the truck owner decides to do with it. Better airflow reduces heat on every mechanical and fluid system, which results in a longer life for all components.

Why not add ANOTHER strong selling point to the ZR2 ( higher towing/payload capacity) vs. some gaudy aesthetics that reduces the capability of the truck?

 

[toylandcruiser]

holy ****.

Chevy released LITERALLY the exact truck everyone and their mother has been begging toyota to make for YEARS and it's too expensive plush and fluffy. Oh, sorry you can't row your own, I can't hear you crying over the sound of the 4 cylinder diesel and front and rear lockers. I wish I could buy one, I'd be all over it. Same thing happened with the BRZ/FRS. Everyone cried for a RWD back to basic sports car, it comes, and no one buys them. Again, I'd buy one in a heartbeart if I could. If someone told me to pick a brand new car and truck those would be the two in my driveway. As far as cost goes... ALL VEHICLES ARE EXPENSIVE NOW. You wan't a basic work truck? Ok, $25k please. It isn't 1993 anymore.

/rant

with inflation, 25k today is equal to 14k in 1993. Not a bad price

 

[Clutch]

with inflation, 25k today is equal to 14k in 1993. Not a bad price

I thought it was a fair request. Toyota 4X4 DX Pickup in 1993 had a retail price of $15K.

Dunno, seems like easy credit is causing the run away prices in the truck market (and everything else)...looks like a house of cards to me. Not wanting to play that game and getting chastised over it is funny to me. Being fiscally conservative is apparently a bad thing.

Don't some of you guys on here get tired of trying to keep up with Joneses?

A 3/4 ton truck is overkill for 90% of the avg. Joe homeowner.

Yep...I have already had 3/4, 1 Ton trucks in the past. Way more than I need now, why I started buying little Toyotas in the first place, Hell at times even the Tacoma is more than I need. Seems like that is the answer most guys on here suggest...you need a 3/4-1 ton truck! "Tow 1500 lbs, well you need a 1 ton diesel!" Ha ha! True story too, some guy on here told me a need a fricken $60K Ram 2500 Cummins for towing my dirt bike trailer. Too funny...typical American, gotta over compensate.

 

[onemanarmy]

I thought it was a fair request. Toyota 4X4 DX Pickup in 1993 had a retail price of $15K.

Dunno, seems like easy credit is causing the run away prices in the truck market (and everything else)...looks like a house of cards to me. Not wanting to play that game and getting chastised over it is funny to me. Being fiscally conservative is apparently a bad thing.

Don't some of you guys on here get tired of trying to keep up with Joneses?

You can get a 2017 extended cab 4x4 5 speed tacoma SR for 25k MSRP (just built on on their website)....which I would imagine is a bit quicker, gets better MPG, and is safer then the 1993 pickup.

So It can be done.

 

[Clutch]

You can get a 2017 extended cab 4x4 5 speed tacoma SR for 25k MSRP (just built on on their website)....which I would imagine is a bit quicker, gets better MPG, and is safer then the 1993 pickup.

So It can be done.

Yeah, that is what we will probably get.

You can get a regular cab 1/2 ton natural aspirated V6 for around there too....but gaaaad damn those things are huge, that and no manual trans. Even the midsizes seem a bit bloated to me, guess I have been driving mini-trucks for too long.

Wish I could get a brand new of what I already have, love the truck, but getting tired of fixing it. Have been resisting on buying a new truck for years, as I really don't like anything on the market. Think I am just over the whole vehicle thing in general. Absolutely hate spending money on a dumb vehicle. Probally the only guy who is unhappy when his wife tells him he can get a new truck. Not even sure why I frequent this forum anymore. Guess I like getting the inmates riled up.

 

[XJLI]

Exactly.....CHEVY released it. Not Toyota. People have been begging for TOYOTA to produce a truck like the ZR2, or a Tacoma with a Diesel (which they already produce for the rest of the world) The TRD Pro is a great off road truck in its own way.

You being able to buy one IF YOU COULD is of no concern to either car makers in question here.

Yea, the Toyota fanboy-ism is silly to me. Chevy built the truck everyone wanted, who cares what marque is on the front? The Colorado is great.

And yea, I know

with inflation, 25k today is equal to 14k in 1993. Not a bad price

Agreed. I know you can get fullsizes for way under sticker, but the fact that a '17 Silverado V6 4x4 has a MSRP of just under $30k is a little ridiculous.

You can get a regular cab 1/2 ton natural aspirated V6 for around there too....but gaaaad damn those things are huge, that and no manual trans. Even the midsizes seem a bit bloated to me, guess I have been driving mini-trucks for too long.

My 05 Silverado ext cab 6.5' bed feels GIGANTIC to me. Been driving it 2 months now.

 

[toylandcruiser]

Yea, the Toyota fanboy-ism is silly to me. Chevy built the truck everyone wanted, who cares what marque is on the front? The Colorado is great.

And yea, I know



Agreed. I know you can get fullsizes for way under sticker, but the fact that a '17 Silverado V6 4x4 has a MSRP of just under $30k is a little ridiculous.



My 05 Silverado ext cab 6.5' bed feels GIGANTIC to me. Been driving it 2 months now.

You're not getting the point, with inflation it's not a bad price. Your mind is stuck on 14 grand in the 90s. But with inflation it's the same price. In 1995 my dad purchased a brand new ram for 25000 dollars. Today that's equal to 40000 dollars. Not much has changed in prices.

 

[b9ev]

Was a job paying 25k in the 90s paying 40k now?

You're not getting the point, with inflation it's not a bad price. Your mind is stuck on 14 grand in the 90s. But with inflation it's the same price. In 1995 my dad purchased a brand new ram for 25000 dollars. Today that's equal to 40000 dollars. Not much has changed in prices.

 

[XJLI]

Was a job paying 25k in the 90s paying 40k now?

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. all the feels.

 

[Dalko43]

Yea, the Toyota fanboy-ism is silly to me. Chevy built the truck everyone wanted, who cares what marque is on the front? The Colorado is great.

This pretty much sums up my feeling on the topic. We can all lament how no one makes a no-frills, bare-bones, old-fashioned truck anymore...but that's the NA truck market for you. There is little chance of that changing, so why complain about it? Also, you can find some entry-trim diesel pickup's in the 1/2 and 3/4 ton variety for a decent price on the used market (some even have manual transmissions).

Many of us pine and drool (at least I do) over the hardcore, robust, diesel 4x4 offerings that companies like Toyota and Ford sell overseas, and yet when a company here in the states actually brings one to our market, people complain because the frame is supposedly weaker and the payload rating is several hundred lb's lower. I'm sure the diesel Colorado has its faults, just like any other platform, but holy cow, it certainly is a step in the right direction...and if certain people can't acknowledge that, I'm inclined to believe they just like to hear themselves whine.

Hopefully this ZR2 not only does well on the market, but it motivates other companies (ahem....Ford, Toyota) to put out similar or even better mid-sized pickups.

Thought they use mostly 2.5-5 tonne cab over flat beds for heavier work. US 3/4 tons are pretty rare everywhere else.

All of the 3 big manufactures sell their HD pickup's in Australia, and globally to a certain extent. I'm sure there are other brands that are used over there as well, but my point is you refer to their mid-sized ute's as if they are true HD, work pickups. They're not. There are other vehicles over there that fulfill that role.

 

[kojackJKU]

I had my share of full size trucks from every manufacturer besides Nissan. we are shopping small pickups, Nissan is out, so it was down to the collie and taco. Just overall fit and finish, taco. Price, taco. Comfort, Taco. Mileage taco. Not buying diesel. Off road, Taco. Aftermarket for setting it up correctly, Taco. The z71 does not have a dog in the hunt for small rigs in my books. I have chev vehicles and loathed Toyotas for years and years....however, after driving both back to back, There is no contest.

 

[toylandcruiser]

Was a job paying 25k in the 90s paying 40k now?

It's called inflation

 

[b9ev]

hah. I know what it is called but the point is that the pay for jobs hasn't inflated at the same rate. This is anecdotal but I believe it to be true across most jobs. My mom retired from teaching in 1999 at a salary of 40k/yr. Same school district, same level of education, same level of experience teachers are making $45k/yr today.

It's called inflation

 

[Clutch]

My 05 Silverado ext cab 6.5' bed feels GIGANTIC to me. Been driving it 2 months now.

We both went and test drove a Tundra Double Cab, she was riding in the passenger seat, felt like she was football field away. The salesman asked what we thought....we both said this thing is ridiculous, he said that is good, right? ummmm no...

Test drove the FR-S too, fun little thing....RWD with a manual trans, oh yeah! But we both deemed it too impractical. Rather stick with bikes, get way more bang for your buck.

Was a job paying 25k in the 90s paying 40k now?

It is now paying $12.5K....

All of the 3 big manufactures sell their HD pickup's in Australia, and globally to a certain extent. I'm sure there are other brands that are used over there as well, but my point is you refer to their mid-sized ute's as if they are true HD, work pickups. They're not. There are other vehicles over there that fulfill that role.

Never said the Utes are HD trucks, but the are built a bit tougher than the US versions. What I am saying is, it would be a nice alternative to the US fullsize trucks for those that don't need a 3/4-1 ton, but the midsizes aren't quite enough.

It wouldn't be much either, current midsizes are close...just need to bump up the payload to 2000 lbs. Sure you can get a 1/2 ton regular cab with a 2000+ lbs payload, again don't like the size of them. Even current midsizes are little too bloated for my taste. Neither the Tacoma or the Colorado are small trucks, roughly the size of a 70's-80's fullsize. Must be that ever expanding waistline of Americans that is causing it, like kojack said. According to google, 68.8% are overweight or obese.


Looks like this HiLux is handling the weight of the FWC very well.

 

[b9ev]

Hilux did handle that very well, what is the weight on that model of FWC?