Disco 1 or not?

SeaRubi

Explorer
I first saw one of those a couple weeks ago, as I sat dozing in the car waiting for the wife to come out of a store. My first groggy thought was, "new Land Rover?!?"


Oh *snap*! ******** I hope Tata brings us a simpler car in the green oval marque. The amount of electronics in cars these days is way out of hand. I just want something that looks good and does what it needs to do. It doesn't have to be a rolling space shuttle. I'm not even sure you can buy a car these days with wind-up windows?

Anyway - for the OP - here's a nice photo of a '94 LWB that belongs to a friend of mine. It's a classic setup: (pun intended) OME lift, NATO/Wolf wheels shod with 235/85-16's. The 4.2L engine in the LWB is much livelier than the 3.9L in the SWB. Fuel mileage is about the same.

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cheers,
ike
 

Alaska Mike

ExPo Moderator/Eye Candy
This has been posted all over but I think it's appropriate here.
http://www.casttv.com/shows/top-gear/bolivia-special/o0rg8l1

It's a great episode, but it's hardly scientific. It's pretty apples to oranges, since none of the vehicles are the same age (in design era or build date), and we have no idea about their previous upkeep.

That said, they were right about a couple things. The Rangie is a god-like design with somewhat more human execution. They were also right about it having the superior suspension of the three.
 

Snagger

Explorer
I have had an RRC for eight of its fifteen years. I have had a few things go wrong, but nothing more than you'd expect on any car that age - an alternator, a battery, a clutch fork (a known weak point - replace the fork whenever you replace the plates and you'll have no trouble) and a due timing belt replacement (Tdi - the old belt came out looking like new, though).

Land Rover's corrosion resistance could have been better on that generation of vehicles, with RRCs and DIs suffering rot in the sills, boot floor and wheel arches, but if you deal with any corrosion as soon as you see it and make sure those areas are well treated with Dinitrol, you should have a very practical and reliable vehicle.

As always, the trick is to buy a good one in the first place - many vehicles will have been abused or neglected, but a well cared for vehilce, even if worked hard, should prove very reliable.

The DI was based on the RRC. Obviously, there is a lot more boot space, but there is also a fair bit more leg room for the rear passengers; the rear seats were mounted further aft than on the RRC, and in the process had to move up on top of the rear wheel arches. That's why the Discovery needs a kinked roof while the RRC's is not only flatter but also thinner (compare the depth above the windscreens). The RRC LSE is comfortable, but the extra length will make it much less maneouverable and will reduce its break-over angle. It also adds a bit of weight and those doors are very hard to find if you need to replace one. An LSE also has air suspension, which was not regarded as a RRC (or P38) strong point - coils are much more dependable.
 

Scott Brady

Founder
I like that one. . .
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Personally, I like a little longer WB. My JK is 117"! and my Tacoma was 127". Neither was ever an issue on technical terrain.
 

Alaska Mike

ExPo Moderator/Eye Candy
I hope Tata brings us a simpler car in the green oval marque. The amount of electronics in cars these days is way out of hand. I just want something that looks good and does what it needs to do. It doesn't have to be a rolling space shuttle. I'm not even sure you can buy a car these days with wind-up windows?
I doubt Land Rover will return to a simple design, given their current positioning as a premium marque (especially in NA and other upscale markets). However, I think they could strip away a bunch of the fluff that they've built up over the years without impacting their basic marketing scheme. It's amazing how much wiring a modern Rover has in it that's not used for the basic functioning of the vehicle. If they removed a lot of the "active" and replaced it with a little more "manual", their reliability rating would likely go up. Things like automatic windows and door locks are expected these days, but there's a lot of systems you can eliminate or simplify without significantly impacting the "luxury" of the vehicle.
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
Anyway - for the OP - here's a nice photo of a '94 LWB that belongs to a friend of mine.

Wow, that's the first RRC that I've actually liked the look of. Maybe it's the wheel/tire package, I'm not sure.
 

Green96D1

Explorer
Once again someone comes here with the desire to buy a disco and they are steered to a toyota?

I just dont get it...because a disco cant do a 2500 mile trip right?

OMG this really needs to stop, disco's are just not that bad and dont deserve the attitude around here that they pale in reliability to everything else out there...its just not the case.

I would jump in mine and head out across the country without a second thought. I jump in it for thousand mile weekends with popping the hood.

If you keep up regular service work on them and know the few major issues to each model they will take yoy a long way and in really nice style.

The vision view and driving position makes for a level of comfort that few other trucks can come close to. I have had some many people after spending a weekend in my truck remark how much more enjoyable the trip was then anything else they had ever road tripped in.

There is just something special about all the glass and low window sills combined with the smooth ride of the coil springs, these trucks are just meant for going places.

not to prelong the subject but I agree with muskyman. Discoveries from my point of view are actually quite reliable vehicles. Plus they are straightforward trucks. I had someone tell me that Discoveries are unreliable because his coffee cup holder broke haha. With regular maintnence and knowing the trucks limitations these things will go a long way. There is a reason why Land Rover exist on Expo forums. BTW my Dad had a 1994 FZJ80 with lockers and a OME 4" lift with 35's and he couldn't outwheel me if he wanted too. I had no problem showing my pops how it's done with a open diff 3" lifted Discovery haha. :coffeedrink:
 

Dendy Jarrett

Expedition Portal Admin
Staff member
Here is my 89 Classic SWB. It is pretty nimble and quick. Pulls the Conqueror, albeit anemic on an elevation climb (but it is 21 years old).
It just pulled a 5X10 uhaul 700 miles loaded with furniture, kids, a weeks worth of clothes and Santa stuff.

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Here is a DI I had and I loved it:

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However, things you should know about a DI: Steering box will leak — Will need the Head Gasket done about 90-110K miles (no biggie). In the life of a classic or DI ... you will replace at least once ... maybe twice ... fuel pump, water pump, radiator, heater box, probably AC compressor. If you resolve yourself to those realities, you'll be fine. I have done all of those things recently to my 89, ... but I own the truck out right. It has most of the creature comforts of a new truck, but very few of the electronics to go bad (89 is pre ABS).

Either way, you will always have a love/hate relationship with your truck. If you maintain it well, ... hopefully there will be more love ... than hate! :)
 
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R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
This isn't dweb. A search won't bring up 30 pages and 5+ years worth of threads, 45% of which don't answer the question but just another rude suggestion to "search", and another 50% don't even contain the search words...

There, I fixed that for you. ;)
 

Scott Brady

Founder
Except for the fuel pump, my 1995 Disco has been perfect for 2.5 years. I still love driving it every day. I think I might buy another, and put it in storage with a bunch of spare parts.
 

SeaRubi

Explorer

More Rangie porn - yesss! :victory: Great looking truck. My rigs never look very good.

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My truck would run like crap for months, years at a time. but it always ran. I've driven home 60 miles on the battery ... I've driven home without a water pump ... in traffic :coffeedrink: It always ran for the 6 years I had it - just not well. My first truck at 150k wouldn't pass smog and ran a little rough - then I bought an LWB as a DD which had over 215k it purred like a kitten. To be fair, so did the first one before I began campaigning it.

Rangies do have a nasty habit of ignition cylinders getting wonky and leaving you stranded. Hot-wiring a '94 with the factory security, and navigating all the interlock solenoids in freezing temps is no fun. And all this adventure on top of a 10 story parking garage downtown. The other time the transmission decided to stop working. Getting towed off Ballard bridge in rush hour traffic is no fun. I learned later that it was revived by flushing the fluid 5 times. Some bastard DIY'er got gunk in the pan when he changed the leaking gasket and it blocked something up. Damn that guy. (kicks self).

My luck was a bit less than stellar. Something to consider is that the D1 is starting to get some age on it, with plenty of miles. The GEMS motors do seem to be much less troublesome than the OBD1 mills in the Rangies.

fwiw.
 

stevenmd

Expedition Leader
Rubicon51 - if you are near NorCal, feel free to come on over and drive my rangie.

I used to have a 96 DI and drove the crap out of it. Other than a fuel pump and the belt tensioner, she never let me down.

I switched to RRC LWB for more room for the chillins' and love it! I have a 3" lift on it.

Again, if you are nearby, let me know and you can give mine a test run.
 

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