Flyingwil's Taco is growing up!
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tdesanto
Expedition Leader
Uh oh... needs to go on a diet like me...
Weighed in at 1/2 tank of gas with empty fridge and empty water!
Wil, two questions:
1) What is the GVWR of the Taco?
2) Does it not seem odd to you that they gave you such a nice round number? I would expect to see something like 5598 or 5618.
Overland Hadley
on a journey
About number two.
It does seem odd. When I weighed my Tacoma I talked to a trucker and he said the scales a very sensitive. I tested this by weighing my truck twice. (the second time on the scale costs less by the way) First time was with me on the scale, and the second time with me off the scale. It was accurate.
Purple People Eater
Explorer
5100 lbs.
Wil, you drove to Buckeye just to weigh the truck?! Tell me you got something else done in the process...
What're you dong Sunday?
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flyingwil
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Tony,
1.) 5100 lbs like PPE says below.
2.) Kinda but truck scales are very accurate, and +/- 10lbs will not kill me. I was nearly empty which is what was kind of scary.
Bobby,
I was hanging with the cool kids...
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tdesanto
Expedition Leader
Well, they may be accurate, but I think the odds of getting a nice round number like that on a supposedly accurate scale are very low.
When you say you were nearly empty, do you mean that there was very little in the truck that wasn't bolted on to the truck. So, no additional gear other than modifications you've made?
So, off the top of my head I have the following estimates for bolted on bits:
1) Tent, approx 130lbs
2) Can-back, approx 75lbs
3) Engle, 54lbs (55 with the transit bag?)
4) Fridge slide, approx 15lbs
5) Extremeaire, approx 22 lbs with connections and wiring (19lbs solo)
6) Wood platform/storage drawer, approx 75-100lbs
7) Tools and recovery gear 50-75lbs
8) Radios and additional electronics, approx 25lbs
9) Front bumper, approx 80lbs
10) Winch, approx 80lbs (with wire rope, 17lbs less with synthetic?)
11) Rear bumper, approx 130lbs?
12) Additional unsprung weight of larger tires?
The curb weight that I was able to find, is 3877, giving it a payload capacity of 1223. I'm getting this from Wikipedia, and it didn't account for the different platforms (2dr, 4dr, extended cab, etc.), so yours may be different. Curb weight, as I understand it, includes a full tank of gas and all vehicle fluids, so you don't have to account for that separately.
So, I may be missing a lot, but the above items come to 787lbs, not including heavier tires or the driver. I used the higher estimates of any numbers listed, and I also didn't subtract for the bumpers you removed. So, this number may actually be lower.
So, if you were "mostly empty", where is the additional weight coming from?
Photog
Explorer
Many of the heavy scales are very accurate; but not very precise. They are accurate, but only read out in multiples of 10 pounds.
The more precise it is, the more decimal points will be included. I don't think it would be much benefit, to have the precision into the 3rd decimal point. Since vehicle weight is 4 or 5 digits (x,xxx to xx,xxx) pounds, a precision within 10 pounds is probably good enough.
The weight was between 5096 and 5105 pounds. I'm sure, #5100 was close enough.
The more precise it is, the more decimal points will be included. I don't think it would be much benefit, to have the precision into the 3rd decimal point. Since vehicle weight is 4 or 5 digits (x,xxx to xx,xxx) pounds, a precision within 10 pounds is probably good enough.
The weight was between 5096 and 5105 pounds. I'm sure, #5100 was close enough.
Overland Hadley
on a journey
I am wondering the same thing.
When I weighed my truck I could not figure out how they got such a high number. Over a couple of days I added up everything in the truck and just could not find that much added weight.
flyingwil
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No, I was returning from a 3 day, 3 night trip, so food, water and equipment were minimal if that.
1) Tent, approx 120lbs
2) Can-back, approx 20lbs
3) Engle, 54lbs (55 with the transit bag?)
4) Fridge slide, approx 15lbs
5) Extremeaire, approx 22 lbs with connections and wiring (19lbs solo)
6) Wood platform/storage drawer, approx 75-100lbs
7) Tools and recovery gear 50-75lbs
8) Radios and additional electronics, approx 25lbs
9) Front bumper, approx 120lbs
10) Winch, approx 45lbs
11) Rear bumper, approx 130lbs?
12) Baby Seat and baby, aprox 40lbs
13) Two Action Packers, aprox 40lbs
14) One "to be announced container" (used for pre-sale product testing) - 30lbs
15) 1 pico chair, 1 pico table, 1 baby chair, aprox 15lbs
16) dual batteries aprox 85lbs so minus the stock battery aprox 60lbs
17) tires and wheels... about 10lbs more so about 50 additional lbs.
So that would be ball-park minus my weight, and the two backpacks of clothes for me and the baby (about 250 lbs additional).
I would bet that it comes pretty close to the weight of the weigh in if I were to add it all up
Photog
Explorer
I hope this is not a hi-jack, since it is the current topic. If so; I can copy this into a new thread.
Hopefully someone will know the answer to this question:
The GVW listed for the vehicle is based on stock equipment. Something in the list of stock equipment is the limiting factor. Is it the:
Springs
Frame
Axle
Bearings
Brakes
Tire capacity
or ????
If we use stronger springs, reinforce the frame, install better tires, and installed better brake pads; have we improved one or more of the limiting factors, and increased the save GVW (regardless of the factory sticker)?
Does anyone know what the actual weight limit is for a Toyota rear axle, or front IFS system?
Hopefully someone will know the answer to this question:
The GVW listed for the vehicle is based on stock equipment. Something in the list of stock equipment is the limiting factor. Is it the:
Springs
Frame
Axle
Bearings
Brakes
Tire capacity
or ????
If we use stronger springs, reinforce the frame, install better tires, and installed better brake pads; have we improved one or more of the limiting factors, and increased the save GVW (regardless of the factory sticker)?
Does anyone know what the actual weight limit is for a Toyota rear axle, or front IFS system?
flyingwil
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Not a hi-jack at all. In fact I was just searching to find an older thread on this topic... If I find it I'll post the link in this thread. IIRC, it was about 2 years old, but includes all the above and answers to all your questions and other input.
flyingwil
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Here is thread that is close... but not the one I had in mind...
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3342&highlight=weight
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3342&highlight=weight
Photog
Explorer
The previous Tundra, with the same axle parts as the Tacoma and 4Runner, had a GVW of 6300 lbs. The Previous Tacoma is 5100 lbs GVW. The current Tacoma is 5300 lbs GVW. The current 4Runner is 5570 lbs GVW. I would say the Tacoma axle can easily take an extra 500 lbs, over GVW.
Are the brakes the same? I know there are ways to swap the Tundra front brakes to the Tacoma; but what about rear brakes, leaf springs, coil springs, ball joints? Then just beef up the frame.
Are the brakes the same? I know there are ways to swap the Tundra front brakes to the Tacoma; but what about rear brakes, leaf springs, coil springs, ball joints? Then just beef up the frame.
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tdesanto
Expedition Leader
But isn't it more than that? Don't you have to look from A to Z? Gears, driveshafts, u-joints, cooling capacity of the cooling system, strength of the engine and durability, steering components, transmission durability and transmission cooling system capacity, etc?
Photog
Explorer
If you keep your GVW below the vehicle + towing weight, all of those driveline issues are already up for the challenge. I don't think any of us will be carrying as much as we could tow.