Fog lights

92path_68CJ

Crawl-O-Matic
I've been happy with PIAA 510s and some amber lensed ARIS Flamthrowers with a harness I built.
Works pretty well.
 

FellowTraveler

Explorer
Don't waste your $ on anything sold/marketed as offroad lights.
For years I've been using what's sold at our local mom & pop parts store as ag implement lights; they come with the flood bulb in 4.5" rubber mounting cups (~$25) and then get the airplane landing spot light seal beam bulbs (Wagner#4509) to go in them (~$15).
This is the way to go...cheap, bright, & last forever! Had them on several vehicles.
Last time the local store was out so I ordered online, just Google Wagner 4509. I keep the floods in for when using on rear.

Interesting indeed can you get some night shots of them working and post them, it would be nice. Thanks for the low buck idea!
OH, and welcome to the forum.............
 

soonenough

Explorer
There's a long list of lights that aren't worth the cheese. Hella Black Magic, PIAA, IPF, Lightfarce, Delta, and possibly the stupidest you can buy, Fyrlyt.
I know this in an old post, but do you really think IPF is gimmicky? I always thought the 900's and 930 Super Rallyes were pretty well-respected.
 

Hilldweller

SE Expedition Society
I know this in an old post, but do you really think IPF is gimmicky? I always thought the 900's and 930 Super Rallyes were pretty well-respected.
I'd like to be able to test them ---- I've just never seen a beam pattern from any IPFs that was wide and even.
Often the lights are throwing too much into the air too; that creates a corona in fog/rain.

The best tend to conform to DOT criteria for driving lights, have their lights tested/assayed, and mark the product accordingly.
 

LexusAllTerrain

Expedition Leader
I know this in an old post, but do you really think IPF is gimmicky? I always thought the 900's and 930 Super Rallyes were pretty well-respected.

It is just a matter of opinion, and for the record I have bought and used the following:

IPF 968
Hella 500
PIAA 520 ION
Lightforce 170
Hella 550

...and I am presently happy with my IPF 900's.Everybody sees different, everybody has different needs!
 

Hilldweller

SE Expedition Society
And are you talking about foglights or driving lights or offroad lights?
Different tasks, different performance criteria.

IPF makes okay offroad lights. Not so good for driving or fog though.

Foglights: Nice wide spread of light, not too high that it blinds oncoming traffic. Used for picking your way slowly along a foggy road, finding the lines, avoiding animals.
Useless at speed. Dangerous even.

Driving lights: Fairly wide spread of light but not too wide. No foreground light. Even light, no hotspots. Useful even LUX values across the spread.
Cut-off would be nice but I wouldn't be all that critical about it.

Offroad lights: Not for use on the street. For slow technical trails, the sky's the limit; gimme craploads of light. Who cares about focus or quality.
For fast Baja-type travel, same sort of light as driving lights but maybe a little wider and brighter. Foreground light is not your friend when you go fast.
 

Hilldweller

SE Expedition Society
Well the Hella Rallye 4000 are undoubtedly a really nice choice if you are really looking for the best fog lights and now a days there are various companies and brands in the market that offer fog lights but i have been using the Hella rallye for like 2 years and no regret or any complaint with em.....
I have to like a guy that recommends my favorite auxiliary light on his first post...

Welcome to ExPo.
 

soonenough

Explorer
Foreground light is not your friend when you go fast.

I've always wondered about this, because I've read this several places. I'm sure there's science to back up that theory, and you are probably right, but I've never understood why that's true. My mind always goes back to the following assertion: when I'm driving during the day, everything (including the ground right in front of me) is well-lit, and I see perfectly well both up close and further down the road. Working from that, it seems to me that if I installed tons of extra lighting on my vehicle in an attempt to light everything in front and even to the sides of me with as much light as possible (think: 'turn the night into day' levels of light), how does light directly in front of me take away from my ability to see further down the road?
 

Hilldweller

SE Expedition Society
I've always wondered about this, because I've read this several places. I'm sure there's science to back up that theory, and you are probably right, but I've never understood why that's true. My mind always goes back to the following assertion: when I'm driving during the day, everything (including the ground right in front of me) is well-lit, and I see perfectly well both up close and further down the road. Working from that, it seems to me that if I installed tons of extra lighting on my vehicle in an attempt to light everything in front and even to the sides of me with as much light as possible (think: 'turn the night into day' levels of light), how does light directly in front of me take away from my ability to see further down the road?
Day and night lighting is different on us at a physiological level. Rod/cone recruitment is flipped. Pupil dilation becomes imperative.
Your ability to see far at night gets screwed when your pupils are constricted from excess foreground lighting.

We're assuming that it's not practical or possible to have the level of light that you're suggesting ----- I'm talking about driving lights, legal road lights.
 

sixbennetts

Adventurer
Next time you're on a long night drive on the road and your eyes are getting tired, reach down and roll your dash dimmer all the way off.

You'll be amazed at how much easier it is on your eyes, and how much more of the road you can see.

I think that proves your point right there, Bill.
 
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Ace Brown

Retired Ol’ Fart
I used to work with a guy who ran the dash lights on bright all the time. It made my eyes tired even though I was in the passenger seat. I'd try to tell him that was a mistake but he refused to change. He was a big fan of jet fighters, had lots of models on his desk and photos on his walls. I told him pilots always run cockpit lights at the lowest setting, but to no avail.

Anyway I agree and run mine at the very lowest setting that still allows a reading. But not off as that could be disasterous if you loose oil pressure or some other malfunction.

Ace
 

Hilldweller

SE Expedition Society
Great point about the dash lights; it's something that I take for granted. You sort of assume that everyone knows to do that but I guess they don't.

It always irks me and strikes as very ironic that the highbeam indicator light is a very bright and un-dimmable blue ---- the very wavelength of light that causes the most problems with human sight.
 

Ace Brown

Retired Ol’ Fart
Easy fix on any annoying light: put a piece of tape over it. You can still see if its functioning by indirect light. I had to do this after removing my TPMS after damaging one and finding they cost about $120 apiece. Didn't like that orange eye staring at me.

Here is a tip on gauges and low light: learn the position of the needle when all are functioning correctly rather than trying to "read" the gauge. Back in my off-road racing days we rotated the gauges so all the needles pointed up when running normal. Very quick glance to see if everything was OK.

Ace
 

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