Future Toyota 4x4s for the US Market

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Ford seems to be doing well with their Ecoboost in a market that's dominated by big V8 engines; hopefully this trend continues through the other truck builders.

The thing with the eco-boost, it doesn't get much better fuel economy than their 5.0 V8, it does however make more power, I would assume that is why it is selling well, Americans like power. Which makes sense for day to day use, and even for traveling, We do not get vacations like our Euro brethren. We are lucky to get 2 full weeks, so we jump on the highway haul butt at 80mph to get to a destination "relax", then haul butt back home...


If I can't have a diesel then the turbo direct injection is the next best thing and I would think that the Taco is coming due for an engine refresh, no?

It is definitely due, rumor has a new engine for the 2014 model year. Also rumored, is that Toyota is working with Ford on a hybrid truck. Time will only tell.
 
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I can see the Tundra going to a 3/4 ton, the Tacoma becoming a true 1/2 ton truck, and bringing out a new 4 cylinder version of the old pre Taco Mini truck...

I have thought that as well, the Tundra is almost built like a 3/4 ton truck now. Wouldn't take much to get it there. Might be game over for the domestics if Toyota went after the 3/4-1 ton market.

The current Tacoma is so close to the size of a first gen Tundra that it's not even funny. They can add an inch or two of width to get a full 4 feet between the wheelwells in the bed, add a little more carrying capacity, and a 4.6L V8 (310HP, but more importantly 327lb-ft of torque) and I'd buy one of those.....in black please.

Add a manual trans and they "got" me too. :ylsmoke:

Yeah, the first gen Tundra is about the "perfect" size for my needs...probably would own one if it weren't for the lack of manual transmission. Which sadly, is going extinct across the board in trucks for the American market. I like my power windows and locks...can't give up my manny trans though.
 

cruiser guy

Explorer
So if Toyota is not going to offer anything of the likes of a "real" 4x4 for North America, how long can we keep our old trucks alive?

My '82 BJ60 (diesel version of the FJ60) has over 630,000kms on the clock, I've owned it for over 20 years. I had an engine failure here in Sierra Leone a month or two back but have replaced it with the same engine, only 10-15 years newer from a Japanese takeout, mileage unknown. I hope to get another 600,000kms and 30 years out of it and by that time I'll be pushing up daisies anyways so it won't matter!
 

1911

Expedition Leader
So if Toyota is not going to offer anything of the likes of a "real" 4x4 for North America, how long can we keep our old trucks alive?

I continue to be surprised, year after year, just how many parts I can still get from the dealer here in North America for my FJ40 and the 2F in it. The quality is always better than aftermarket parts too.
 

nickw

Adventurer
"So if Toyota is not going to offer anything of the likes of a "real" 4x4 for North America, how long can we keep our old trucks alive?"


Do you consider a Hilux a 'real' 4x4?
 

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So if Toyota is not going to offer anything of the likes of a "real" 4x4 for North America, how long can we keep our old trucks alive?

My '82 BJ60 (diesel version of the FJ60) has over 630,000kms on the clock, I've owned it for over 20 years. I had an engine failure here in Sierra Leone a month or two back but have replaced it with the same engine, only 10-15 years newer from a Japanese takeout, mileage unknown. I hope to get another 600,000kms and 30 years out of it and by that time I'll be pushing up daisies anyways so it won't matter!

Probably a long time, but given your location..I would think you wouldn't have a problem getting the desirable Toyotas.

While not a HiLux or 70 series, I consider the Tacoma a "real" 4X4, mine has been great. I could keep mine going for awhile, not a spec of rust on it being in Arizona, just keep on fixing the mechanicals.
 

Robert B

Adventurer
Make a four door FJ cruiser styled 4x4 with a solid coil sprung axle and lockers and Toyota will smash Jeep. Every one of us would be lining up to buy one.

At this point my next 4x4 will be a 4 door Jeep. I've held out long enough but Toyota is just not offering me what I want for a 4x4 SUV. 80 series are starting to get long in the tooth and the newer Toyotas are getting too plush.

A 70 Series would be great, but that is not going to happen. I've owned an 80 Series and 100 Series and very recently purchased a 4Runner Trail Edition. I considered every SUV available from the Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited to the LR4 to 200 Series. I found the 4R TE to provide the best compromise of capability and comfort. It will below way Jeeps and Land Rover products in terms of reliability. I place it between the 80 Series and 100 Series in terms of comfort and capability. Its smaller size gives it an edge over the 100 off road, but I do miss the room for cargo in the 100. There is also huge aftermarket support for the 4Runner. Indeed, a 4Runner is a four door FJ Cruiser with better visibility, back seat comfort and more cargo capacity.
 

xCSx

Adventurer
I just wish the 4 runner looked better visually. If it had a more boxy shape I would love it. Does anyone have a picture of a really 'expo-ed' out 4runner? Roof Rack, Extra Lights on the top, bumper, winch, lift, RTT, etc?

Would really like to see that to see if my opinion changes of the look visually...

Thats why the FJ Cruiser / LC 70 Series / FJ62, FJ40, FJ55, etc (everything pre - 80 series, besides FJ cruiser) looks amazing, but are hard to obtain in good shape here on the east coast ( besides FJ Cruiser)
 

nickw

Adventurer
Who can honestly say they'd spend $40k - $50k on a dedicated expo rig like a LC70? It's easy to say yes, but when you really think about it would you? A rough riding, low power, manual tranny with limited practicability. It's basically a toy for the weekend much like a sports car would be.

It's easy to say yes when not confronted with the immediate decision and when passion is involved. But when it came down to signing those papers, I bet Toyota would sell only a handful of them and 98% of the guys that wanted them wouldn't be partaking.

A cool rig loses its luster when you're making a $600/mo payment. Not to mention, start adding aftermarket parts, winches, tires, lifts you get into warranty issues. Now you have a $50k rig, with a payment (for the average person) that may not have a warranty anymore and your planning on wheeling it? Makes more sense with a new $25k Tacoma, but even then. I'd like to think most of us here actually use our rigs more than most, but &#8216;most' guys modifying Toyotas are on the road 95% of the time. Again, makes sense when your rig is comfortable and easy to drive (Tacoma, Jeep, etc), not when it has 150 hp, shifts like a truck and rides like a dump truck.

Grass is always greener &#8211; the Aussies LOVE the FJ cruiser and they don't get it in diesel. Additionally, from what I have seen, they only get it in Automatic! So we actually get a rig the Aussies want but can't have, go figure!
 

haven

Expedition Leader
"... &#8216;most' guys modifying Toyotas are on the road 95% of the time ..."

True that. Unless your rig is a trailer queen, or it stays at an open pit mine, the large majority of miles driven will be on pavement. That's why manufacturers have turned away from solid front axle designs.

Aside from Wrangler and G-Wagen, what new SUV or light pickup sold in USA uses SFA today? I don't expect we'll see any manufacturer introduce a new SFA light truck here, ever. (Come on Land Rover, prove me wrong with the new Defender.)

Medium and heavy truck, a different story.
 

Clutch

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Who can honestly say they'd spend $40k - $50k on a dedicated expo rig like a LC70? It's easy to say yes, but when you really think about it would you? A rough riding, low power, manual tranny with limited practicability. It's basically a toy for the weekend much like a sports car would be.

It's easy to say yes when not confronted with the immediate decision and when passion is involved. But when it came down to signing those papers, I bet Toyota would sell only a handful of them and 98% of the guys that wanted them wouldn't be partaking.


I dunno, a Jeep JK optioned out is real close to $40K, then add goodies like lift, bumpers, winches, etc...you're getting closer to $50K....Jeep has no problem selling them, even if most are street queens...

Would a LC70 sell here (?) not likely because it would have to compete against the American 1 ton trucks. What Americans expect out of a 1 ton truck just isn't
there with the 70 series, even if the 70 series is built better, Americans expect 800 ft. lbs. of torque, roomy crew cabs, automatic trannies, etc...

Would a Toyota version of the JK sell? I am guessing it would...
 

p nut

butter
...Would a Toyota version of the JK sell? I am guessing it would...

In my opinion, this is all Toyota is missing from their line up. Give me an open top FJ and it's game over. I don't care if it has IFS. In fact, I'd prefer an IFS. JK sales would take a serious hit.
 

peneumbra

Explorer
Does anyone here in EXPO-ville recall the 1-ton 4x4 that Toyota exhibited at some of the international auto shows a few years back? It had dual rear tires, an 8-liter diesel, etc etc. If they offered that here, I'd buy one in a minute!

Well, assuming one of you guys co-signed the loan...
 

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Does anyone here in EXPO-ville recall the 1-ton 4x4 that Toyota exhibited at some of the international auto shows a few years back? It had dual rear tires, an 8-liter diesel, etc etc. If they offered that here, I'd buy one in a minute!

This guy? If I recall the engine was out of their Hino line. I assume the high fuel prices halted development,
of course the current Tundra is a little thirsty, or perhaps the current 3/4-1 ton market is too flooded?

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Albeit the gear shift lever was a bit Ed Roth looking...

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Well, assuming one of you guys co-signed the loan...

LOL
 

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