David Harris
Expedition Leader
You had a D2. . .
Is the design of the 3.9/4.0/4.2/4.6 inherently bad?
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You had a D2. . .
David Harris
Expedition Leader
According to threads over on the Toyota forum, some Tacomas are needing them at 100K. . . :Wow1: Honestly, doing head gaskets after 21 years of use is no big deal to me. I just did them on my Rangie last week and it took a couple of days and 250.00. Should last until over 300K at least.
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LR Max
Local Oaf
I'd rather need a head gasket at 160k than a frame.
Personally, no matter what the vehicle, if it can get to 100k without needing major engine work (or anything major), I think that is pretty gosh darn good.
Speaking of which, flushing the coolant from my DD is probably a good idea...
Douglas S.
Adventurer
I would be pretty disappointed in my truck if it needed major engine work at anything less than 200k miles.
Had to do a full rebuild on my Dad's 95 RRC @ 85k miles. Cracked block, holes in pistons, not an abused truck either.
brushogger
Explorer
My friend got the frame on his Toyota pickup warranted and it was 7 years old. They actually replaced the frame! Unthinkable the big issue is Toyota steps up after acknowledging a major issue. Rover- not so much. Examples: the disposable Freelanders, the tsb on the disco oil pumps, and now slipping liners. They just pretend it never happened. The Freelander buyers REALLY took it in the backside. Rover stands behind nothing.
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RangeBrover
Explorer
I do believe that Land Rover has gotten substantially better with warranty claims since the Disco years, but I can only speak from my own experiences. My Range Rover had a good amount of warranty work done on it and I was never given any hassle even when I was slightly out of warranty. Land Rover USA even went as far to extend the warranty's of the front diff on the BMW era L322's, so that's a thumbs up in my book.
Yes some companies are better about admitting fault and taking care of their customers than others but saying Rover stands behind nothing is a pretty one sided statement when you consider how bad some of the other automakers are. Plus I think Rover stands behind every vehicle they build, because if the brakes fail they don't want to be in front of it, and if it catches on fire they want to be able to see it coming.
Oilburner
Adventurer
David Harris
Expedition Leader
I don't know about his, but my 3.9 is at 170K on the original bearings and runs 35 psi of oil pressure and burns no oil. . . . Great engine.
Douglas S.
Adventurer
I have, they were fine. I also don't consider a four hour job I did in my driveway to be major engine work.
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AndrewClarke
Adventurer
I haven't read all 12 pages of this but I'm going to comment anyway. In my opinion, they were probably a great engine in the '60s and '70s, an OK engine in the '80s, an outdated engine in the '90s, and an embarrassment this side of the new century.
Saying a vehicle has acceptible cooling "as long as everything is working", and the heads won't warp and sleeves won't slip as long as the cooling is fine, etc. etc., only show that they're not competitive engines in today's terms. I don't even think of these issues with my Volvo, and I probably wouldn't with a modern Land Rover either. My 200tdi has been night and day more reliable and better cooled than my 4.0L V8 ever was.
Saying a vehicle has acceptible cooling "as long as everything is working", and the heads won't warp and sleeves won't slip as long as the cooling is fine, etc. etc., only show that they're not competitive engines in today's terms. I don't even think of these issues with my Volvo, and I probably wouldn't with a modern Land Rover either. My 200tdi has been night and day more reliable and better cooled than my 4.0L V8 ever was.
Frontier Phreak
New member
POW! LOL Fair point!
But this is pretty pitiful. Seriously? This shows why you are happy with your Rover, as you standards are pretty low. I wouldn't consider major engine rework at anything less than 200k to be acceptable, and "good" doesn't even happen until 300k. And I do consider head gaskets as major work. I don't care if you can do it in your driveway or not. I could change conrods on the side of a freeway if I had to, doesn't mean it's not major work. I've had a *fleet* 4Runner go 280k without taking the valve covers off, let alone the heads. And that thing was constantly ridden hard and put away wet.
I've seen Jeeps make it out of a trail with a major cooling system problem and overheating. Fix the problem, and keep going. A Rover can't make it to the next freeway exit with the needle in the red before it's all over.
JSBriggs
Adventurer
... Plus I think Rover stands behind every vehicle they build, because if the brakes fail they don't want to be in front of it, and if it catches on fire they want to be able to see it coming.
So that is why they never fixed the Defender oil cooler lines!
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getlost4x4
Expedition Leader
I just have to put this here.
getlost4x4
Expedition Leader
for the nay sayers
From a 1998 RR Granite
300K+ All original. (motor, trans, t-case,axles)
http://www.rangerovers.net/forum/7-...me-sybil-thornedykes-twin-granite-4-10-a.html
From a 1998 RR Granite
300K+ All original. (motor, trans, t-case,axles)
http://www.rangerovers.net/forum/7-...me-sybil-thornedykes-twin-granite-4-10-a.html
R-Overland
Adventurer
I have a 4.0L with 400.000 miles sitting outside. starts right up and runs smooth as silk. I was very impressed.
That's what you get, if you maintain your car with good synthetic oil and the proper maintenance it deserves.
That's what you get, if you maintain your car with good synthetic oil and the proper maintenance it deserves.