Iveco 4x4 Daily
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Regarding the Iveco frame: When SCAM placed the Daily cab on it's former vehicle, their frame did not pass the salt-spray-test. A "quick solution" resulted to the actual frame which is an open C-type profile. (More or less) regardless to wall thickness this is torsionally weak, the Daily 4x4 thus has tremendous flex and will need a 3-point or 4-point shelter mounting system.
Regarding GVW and/or brakes: The rear drums are ok for a single emergency stop, but prone to overheating (as all drum designs, see Mitsu/Fuso). The Carraro rear axle is available with discs, god knows why they stick to drums. Result: Max 5,500 kg in Europe. Iveco is using discs on the 4x2 Daily up to 7.000 kg (and Bremach is using those discs enabling them to 6.000 kg GVW with 3.500 kg trailer or 6.500 kg with reduced towing weight)
Wordwide sevice: The European emission regulations require Common Rail engines with particulate trap and a lot of electronics. An Iveco workshop e.g. in South Africa may read the OBD data, but has no experience with those systems. You will end up reqiring an European "out-of-area-use expert" with direct link to Fiat(Iveco)powertrain. Some global travellers rely on the Austrian importer of.. Bremach (who did a lot of field test and development for military projects with the Iveco F1C engine)
regards
Peter
Regarding GVW and/or brakes: The rear drums are ok for a single emergency stop, but prone to overheating (as all drum designs, see Mitsu/Fuso). The Carraro rear axle is available with discs, god knows why they stick to drums. Result: Max 5,500 kg in Europe. Iveco is using discs on the 4x2 Daily up to 7.000 kg (and Bremach is using those discs enabling them to 6.000 kg GVW with 3.500 kg trailer or 6.500 kg with reduced towing weight)
Wordwide sevice: The European emission regulations require Common Rail engines with particulate trap and a lot of electronics. An Iveco workshop e.g. in South Africa may read the OBD data, but has no experience with those systems. You will end up reqiring an European "out-of-area-use expert" with direct link to Fiat(Iveco)powertrain. Some global travellers rely on the Austrian importer of.. Bremach (who did a lot of field test and development for military projects with the Iveco F1C engine)
regards
Peter
julius0377
Adventurer
The Bremach
Very valid points on the Daily, the Bremach has a lot of details in its favour when compared to Iveco's:
*Military dealer network (not as extensive as private world wide dealer networks, but at least the company is probably not going out of business due to the military contracts.)
*You can get a direct line to the engineers and builders at Bremach (small business.)
*Less weight than the Daily 4x4, yet still higher GVW.
*Switchable ABS (does the daily have this?)
*Frame is supposedly rigid (at least has a lot less flex than Daily 4x4).
*Significantly less prone to rust if treated correctly before use, with closed frame construction instead of C profile that can trap water.
*At least one supplier specializing in after market parts like large tanks, wheel carriers, etc. (Supplier is Allrad Christ)
There are several argumenst against using the Bremach for a camper, mainly:
*Non galvanized chassis (requires aftermarket treatment like Tectyl for longevity.)
*If used for three occupants in front seat row space is tight.
*Small company, may not stock the part thats busted in five-ten years time.
Very valid points on the Daily, the Bremach has a lot of details in its favour when compared to Iveco's:
*Military dealer network (not as extensive as private world wide dealer networks, but at least the company is probably not going out of business due to the military contracts.)
*You can get a direct line to the engineers and builders at Bremach (small business.)
*Less weight than the Daily 4x4, yet still higher GVW.
*Switchable ABS (does the daily have this?)
*Frame is supposedly rigid (at least has a lot less flex than Daily 4x4).
*Significantly less prone to rust if treated correctly before use, with closed frame construction instead of C profile that can trap water.
*At least one supplier specializing in after market parts like large tanks, wheel carriers, etc. (Supplier is Allrad Christ)
There are several argumenst against using the Bremach for a camper, mainly:
*Non galvanized chassis (requires aftermarket treatment like Tectyl for longevity.)
*If used for three occupants in front seat row space is tight.
*Small company, may not stock the part thats busted in five-ten years time.
Goingbush
New member
I bought a new Iveco Daily 4x4 a few weeks ago, intended purpose towing off road van / we are full time on the road.
I can not believe how economical it is , almost on par with my Td5 Defender.
Every time I get in it I like it even more.
Only done 4000km so far and the rear diff pinion seal is leaking, (due to a blocked breather) Iveco have nil stock in Australia, must wait a few weeks for a seal to come from Italy ( although I could buy one from local engineering supply )
Im happy that it has 3 year /200,000 km warranty / free roadside assist.
to answer above question about ABS from julius , The ABS disengages when center diff lock is engaged.
some pics of mine here http://www.goingbush.com/iveco.html
more pics here http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/171397-iveco-daily-4x4-12.html
I can not believe how economical it is , almost on par with my Td5 Defender.
Every time I get in it I like it even more.
Only done 4000km so far and the rear diff pinion seal is leaking, (due to a blocked breather) Iveco have nil stock in Australia, must wait a few weeks for a seal to come from Italy ( although I could buy one from local engineering supply )
Im happy that it has 3 year /200,000 km warranty / free roadside assist.
to answer above question about ABS from julius , The ABS disengages when center diff lock is engaged.
some pics of mine here http://www.goingbush.com/iveco.html
more pics here http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/171397-iveco-daily-4x4-12.html
EarthCruiser
Adventurer
G`day Going Bush
Glad your happy with the Daily. We have a number under build. This Dual Cab was at Mog Fest last week end.
Glad your happy with the Daily. We have a number under build. This Dual Cab was at Mog Fest last week end.
Goingbush
New member
Very nice Lance, a pity my wallet does not extend that far. I will have the poor mans body on mine (home made)
curious what are the alloy wheels / tyre combo on the truck in the bottom photo.
I went with 35x12.5x17 125Q Federal tyres rather than the 37' Hanchooks , but the Federal MT pattern is too aggressive (but should be nice on the Black Soil) .
Too bad there is not so much tyre choice in this country.
curious what are the alloy wheels / tyre combo on the truck in the bottom photo.
I went with 35x12.5x17 125Q Federal tyres rather than the 37' Hanchooks , but the Federal MT pattern is too aggressive (but should be nice on the Black Soil) .
Too bad there is not so much tyre choice in this country.
EarthCruiser
Adventurer
G`day
Chassis mod`s are a bigger deal on the IVECO compared to other jiggers talked about here. What do you have in mind for the body length?
Chassis mod`s are a bigger deal on the IVECO compared to other jiggers talked about here. What do you have in mind for the body length?
Goingbush
New member
I decided to go with a 4 point mount, I figuired that the short tray on a Dual Cab would not have too much flex. (wrong) I used fixed mounts at front on the standard Iveco mount plates with poly isolation plates, aka kitchen chopping board (and the orig Daily spring washer pack) and some ye olde style compression springs at the rear (again on poly isolation blocks)
Today I finished the body enough to be able to drive up onto some blocks and was suprised that the chassis started to flex long before the suspension was anywhere near full articulation.
in view of this amount of chassis flex I may have to employ some longer bolts / springs to keep the body rivets from popping out.
Today I finished the body enough to be able to drive up onto some blocks and was suprised that the chassis started to flex long before the suspension was anywhere near full articulation.
in view of this amount of chassis flex I may have to employ some longer bolts / springs to keep the body rivets from popping out.
Goingbush
New member
No, I have been advised by a Body Builder with African overland truck experience to put the fixed mounts at the front of the body,
I have no idea why Iveco recommend the fixed mount at the rear, chassis flex is visibly obvious as the cabin / body movement is exaggerated, if the fixed mounts are at the front then the body follows the cab more closely and the chassis flexes under the rear of the body.
That said I did use the 8 original front mount bolts and spring washer packs to allow some flex at front, but most is at rear with the compression springs.