Lone Peak Overland

[MR E30]

100% of camper cost paid UPFRONT when you order.

Yet Fully Refundable whenever you want???

Ya Right!

Another underfunded and over promising niche camper builder in the making.

I'm kind of with you on this one.

I hope he pulls something fantastic off, but I will say that I am skeptical.

I've seen GFC's in person. Three of my friends have them, and one was just installed yesterday. I've been in them, I've studied them, and I've researched them to death. Also, both GFC and AluCab can have a camper for you in just a couple of weeks nowadays, so the months of backlogs aren't applicable to all camper manufacturers out there.

I have no idea how he is going to deliver a quality product that costs even less than a GFC. A GFC already has absolutely nothing to it. Its OEM mattress is crummy. Lone Peak is including a dual foam mattress from the get-go, which is comparable to a $600 dual foam mattress from Hest Outdoors. The tent fabric of the GFC can't even keep the light from a cell phone screen from being visible outside of the camper at night. It has no integrated lighting, no integrated solar, no panels have any fabric on them, the bed support panels are simple shapes and simple materials, the bed does not pivot out of the way. It is so basic. It also has the benefit of using a smarter/cheaper structure (trussed/braced tube frame), though you do lose side access a bit. A comparison between the two will be interesting to see.

That overhanging rain gutter component is really desirable, but it better be tight! One of the main appeals of a wedge tent is its ability to handle windy weather without keeping you up all night. If that part of the tent is not tight it will flap like crazy. It also doesn't appear that the tent can be used without that portion being deployed, further enforcing the idea that it needs to be tight and secure to function well.

The tent lifting struts being on the outside is a bit of a bummer. Based on his video they seem a bit underpowered as well. Even with two rigid solar panels at the very back end of my tent roof, I only need to lift the top ~12 inches before it sails sky high. He seemed to need to push the lid up almost all the way, and this was with nothing on the roof. And everyone is going to want to put at least one panel up there. Not to mention the affects that a strong wind will have on it, as it is common practice to park into the wind with a wedge style camper.

I would be very skeptical of his claim of this thing being water and dust proof. If you look at it as just the camper itself, then ok, I will buy that it is completely water/dust proof. I bet it's as water tight as anything else on the market. But the camper being water/dust proof to the truck bed itself? Not even close. Do not believe that for an instant. I'm over 25 hours on dustproofing my AluCab Canopy Camper and I still have two tiny places where dust sneaks in (in between the side mounting rails on the bed to the composite bed itself), and the ACCC doesn't have a tailgate. I've used marine grade caulk everywhere, which is far superior to a rubber/foam seal. His design will certainly keep the dust down, but a noticeable amount of dust and water will still penetrate into the camper itself.

The overhang over the trucks cab is also an area of concern. It hangs out very far relative to every other camper. I'd be concerned about how long it will last under heavy use. He mentions in a comment on his video on YT that he offroaded it hard to get to where he shot the video, but that doesn't tell us much. One trip offroad doesn't paint an accurate picture about how it will handle long term abuse. I may know nothing though, I only have a BSME and another degree in mathematics, and am a practicing structural engineer. I do know that a GFC can handle being on the back of a truck that is literally sailing through the air, on purpose, and that the ACCC can easily handle an accidental jump while on the back of another Tacoma. They're both tough, and you can clearly tell if you know what you are looking at. I haven't seen one of these in person, I just hope it as tough as we all want it to be.

All in all, I am excited to see where this lands, I still hope he pulls it off, but only time will truly tell.

 

[Zillon]

Also, both GFC and AluCab can have a camper for you in just a couple of weeks nowadays, so the months of backlogs aren't applicable to all camper manufacturers out there.

Alucab is on another level in both size, weight, complexity, and cost. Absolutely love them, but really not what I'm looking for, especially since I'm trying to keep things light and low profile, and I'm not looking to have a barn door with a swing-out bike rack on the back. Keeping my tailgate is important to me.

GFC must've just drastically reduced their lead time, because up until me checking their website right now, I feel it's definitely been way longer than 5 weeks.

 

[MR E30]

Alucab is on another level in both size, weight, complexity, and cost. Absolutely love them, but really not what I'm looking for, especially since I'm trying to keep things light and low profile, and I'm not looking to have a barn door with a swing-out bike rack on the back. Keeping my tailgate is important to me.

GFC must've just drastically reduced their lead time, because up until me checking their website right now, I feel it's definitely been way longer than 5 weeks.

They certainly are more expensive, but like most things, you get what you pay for. It was perfect for me, though it ain't everyone's cup of tea.

It's hard to make a bike rack and the rear door work.

Storage Build Out by Michael Rickerd, on Flickr

Just kidding. It's incredibly simple actually.

Kuat Pivot 2 and NV 2.0 by Michael Rickerd, on Flickr

Yep, it is a semi-recent development for GFC, but they're on the ball about it now.

 

[Zillon]

Never said it was hard, just not something I want to do.

Swing out racks are heavy, and become more of a permanent fixture to the truck. I prefer to take mine on and off as needed.

The GFC availability change might have me switching teams here, though. I need something quicker than May/June.

 

[Roam.Wild]

The tent lifting struts being on the outside is a bit of a bummer. Based on his video they seem a bit underpowered as well. Even with two rigid solar panels at the very back end of my tent roof, I only need to lift the top ~12 inches before it sails sky high. He seemed to need to push the lid up almost all the way, and this was with nothing on the roof. And everyone is going to want to put at least one panel up there. Not to mention the affects that a strong wind will have on it, as it is common practice to park into the wind with a wedge style camper.

The struts being on the outside is just for the prototype, they'll be on the inside for production. Also the struts for the prototype are way too weak, he said there are going to be 80lb struts for the production models, specifically to accommodate things being on the roof.

I would be very skeptical of his claim of this thing being water and dust proof. If you look at it as just the camper itself, then ok, I will buy that it is completely water/dust proof. I bet it's as water tight as anything else on the market. But the camper being water/dust proof to the truck bed itself? Not even close.

The camper itself is dust / water proof. They can't do anything about the truck beds; that's up to the end consumer to seal those.

The overhang over the trucks cab is also an area of concern. It hangs out very far relative to every other camper. I'd be concerned about how long it will last under heavy use. He mentions in a comment on his video on YT that he offroaded it hard to get to where he shot the video, but that doesn't tell us much. One trip offroad doesn't paint an accurate picture about how it will handle long term abuse. I may know nothing though, I only have a BSME and another degree in mathematics, and am a practicing structural engineer. I do know that a GFC can handle being on the back of a truck that is literally sailing through the air, on purpose, and that the ACCC can easily handle an accidental jump while on the back of another Tacoma. They're both tough, and you can clearly tell if you know what you are looking at. I haven't seen one of these in person, I just hope it as tough as we all want it to be.

I believe he said the overhang itself is good to support 400lbs. I have to double check on that one. They beat it up through Moab pretty good. They also have engineers on the team designing this, it's not just something put together in a garage with redneck engineering. It doesn't hang over more than a lot of full truck bed campers. I see FWC's being beat to ******** all the time and their hangover is just as much. Being a little shorter on the overhang wouldn't hurt though. Theres not much reason for it to be 7ft long, and being just a bit shorter would for sure help strength.


Before criticizing it, I think people need to see more of it in person, and realize this one is just the prototype. It's stout and very well-engineered. I have been in plenty of Super Pacifics, GFCs, ATs, and others and this is right on par with the best of them. I wish they would do a better job of explaining the engineering behind everything and making some more in depth videos.

As far as how he is going to be able to produce them at such a low cost? GFC makes close a half a million dollars A WEEK in sales. you don't think there's TONs of room to come down on price? Even Super Pacific's were just about $5,000 when they first started, my neighbor got his for that when they first start taking orders, what a deal! Now they are like $12,000. There's ton of room for profit on these. How much was the GFC V1 going for when it first came out? I thought it was around $7,000, but I don't remember. Thats only $1000 more than this though.

I'm gonna talk to him this week about making some more videos and going more in-depth on somethings.

 

[Zillon]

Never said it was hard, just not something I want to do.

Swing out racks are heavy, and become more of a permanent fixture to the truck. I prefer to take mine on and off as needed.

The GFC availability change might have me switching teams here, though. I need something quicker than May/June.

Quick reply on the GFC availability topic - even if you get a production slot, getting it delivered to the east coast using the GFC White Glove service is a 6 month timeframe, which pushes me to April at best. And the price for that has jumped to $1750 for the east coast.

So, I guess I'm back to strongly considering the Lone Peak. Subjecting a brand new setup or my truck to a 2200 mile mid-winter torture test of every midwest state's best mix of brine doesn't sit well with me.

 

[MR E30]

The struts being on the outside is just for the prototype, they'll be on the inside for production. Also the struts for the prototype are way too weak, he said there are going to be 80lb struts for the production models, specifically to accommodate things being on the roof.

The camper itself is dust / water proof. They can't do anything about the truck beds; that's up to the end consumer to seal those.

I believe he said the overhang itself is good to support 400lbs. I have to double check on that one. They beat it up through Moab pretty good. They also have engineers on the team designing this, it's not just something put together in a garage with redneck engineering. It doesn't hang over more than a lot of full truck bed campers. I see FWC's being beat to ******** all the time and their hangover is just as much. Being a little shorter on the overhang wouldn't hurt though. Theres not much reason for it to be 7ft long, and being just a bit shorter would for sure help strength.

Before criticizing it, I think people need to see more of it in person, and realize this one is just the prototype. It's stout and very well-engineered. I have been in plenty of Super Pacifics, GFCs, ATs, and others and this is right on par with the best of them. I wish they would do a better job of explaining the engineering behind everything and making some more in depth videos.

As far as how he is going to be able to produce them at such a low cost? GFC makes close a half a million dollars A WEEK in sales. you don't think there's TONs of room to come down on price? Even Super Pacific's were just about $5,000 when they first started, my neighbor got his for that when they first start taking orders, what a deal! Now they are like $12,000. There's ton of room for profit on these. How much was the GFC V1 going for when it first came out? I thought it was around $7,000, but I don't remember. Thats only $1000 more than this though.

I'm gonna talk to him this week about making some more videos and going more in-depth on somethings.

Understood about the updated strut location. Glad they decided to both beef them up and relocate them. It's just a bit of a shame that our current culture features the mindset that things need to be displayed before they are actually ready.

Glad that the camper itself is weatherproof, just like every other option on the market. His promo video gives the wrong impression though, but I digress. Just know that if you get one of these you will have both dust and water on the things that are contained inside of your camper/truck bed.

I am never wary of the static load capacity of these things. 400 lb is no problem. It's the life long abuse and its affects on the camper over time that are worrisome. This is a big chunk of change for people like us. Though he does offer a lifetime warranty on the camper itself, which is awesome.

I too would really enjoy seeing the engineering behind the design, as that would help me tremendously in my ability to understand its capacities. All I can say is that I have designed tons of steel to steel and aluminum to aluminum connections, and by following the guidelines in my profession, I was very rarely ever able to make bolted aluminum moment connections sustain any reasonable amount of cyclic dynamic loading. It's just not their strong suit. They fail horribly when compared to a fully welded aluminum moment connection. Still not ideal, but it's an order of magnitude better over time.

It's just hard to reconcile the claim that they are well-engineered when something as simple as the lifting strut needs rectifying mid design. It is either a very simple computer model, or one page of hand calcs using basic vector forces to determine the required capacity of the strut to get the job done. It is certainly much less complex that analyzing a bolted aluminum connection for fatigue. That's just what I see. Again, I don't design campers, but I do literally design structures, and this is just a smaller version, subjected to loading that I can easily grasp and assimilate into the types of loading I deal with daily.

I'd love to see one in person, and I hope I get to one day. I live in a big place, so hopefully someone local buys one that I can come check out.

I'm not going to try to speak on how much GFC actually profits from the sale of their campers, as the $500,000/week tells me nothing about that.

It's awesome if you can get on the ground floor with new camper companies, and pick up a camper for 50% of its current price, but I guarantee that the change in price of the SP X1 from 5k to 12k has dramatically impacted peoples decisions and abilities to buy them.

V1 GFC's were about that price, yes. But again, a V1 GFC had almost nothing to it. Paper thin tent fabric. No fancy single lever door handles that can be opened and closed from the inside. No pivoting bed platform. No substructure to support a tent overhang. No notable mattress of any kind, etc.

Even homemade wedge campers cost ~$2,500 to build on your own, materials only. Yes there is the power of buying in bulk, but it isn't that substantial. And the DIY guy doesn't have one-off billet aluminum corner pieces to R&D and have machined. Or the cost of simply starting a company. Or renting/purchasing a warehouse space to build them. Or employees to pay. Or a portion of one campers profits that has to cover future warranty issues, etc. It's awesome that they are this cheap to start with. If you really want one, make sure you get in early, just like your neighbor did with the X1, because I doubt they will stay this cheap for long!

Don't get me wrong, if I didn't already have a camper this would certainly be on my list of potential choices. I am simply sharing what I have learned over time, because when I was picking which camper to buy I was desperately searching for the nitty gritty; the unbiased opinion that comes from someone outside of the companies marketing team.

Sweet, I'll be certain to watch them when they are posted!

 

[Roam.Wild]

Understood about the updated strut location. Glad they decided to both beef them up and relocate them. It's just a bit of a shame that our current culture features the mindset that things need to be displayed before they are actually ready.

I believe the big push to get this out in front of people was to get pre-orders to fund production. I was not really into placing a $5,000 pre-order for something that I had only seen CAD renderings of. Getting a proof of concept prototype into the world made a lot of sense if their goal was to get people to commit to pre-orders.

Glad that the camper itself is weatherproof, just like every other option on the market. His promo video gives the wrong impression though, but I digress. Just know that if you get one of these you will have both dust and water on the things that are contained inside of your camper/truck bed.

My friggin ReTrax tonneau cover still gets tons of dust into the bed. I swear I have sealed every hole and gap in the truck bed, including tailgate seals. It's just inevitable unless you get a true truck bed camper.

I am never wary of the static load capacity of these things. 400 lb is no problem. It's the life long abuse and its affects on the camper over time that are worrisome. This is a big chunk of change for people like us. Though he does offer a lifetime warranty on the camper itself, which is awesome.

I too would really enjoy seeing the engineering behind the design, as that would help me tremendously in my ability to understand its capacities. All I can say is that I have designed tons of steel to steel and aluminum to aluminum connections, and by following the guidelines in my profession, I was very rarely ever able to make bolted aluminum moment connections sustain any reasonable amount of cyclic dynamic loading. It's just not their strong suit. They fail horribly when compared to a fully welded aluminum moment connection. Still not ideal, but it's an order of magnitude better over time.

I wonder if they'll consider doing a welded frame now that they are shipping fully assembled? Something I'll ask for sure. The bolt-together model was because they were going to be shipped as a DIY kit of sorts. So since that is out, I'd for sure like to see some welds in there, at a minimum on the main structural components. However, the SP XL is a rivieted frame, not welded, and I am not aware of any structural issues with those.

It's just hard to reconcile the claim that they are well-engineered when something as simple as the lifting strut needs rectifying mid design. It is either a very simple computer model, or one page of hand calcs using basic vector forces to determine the required capacity of the strut to get the job done. It is certainly much less complex that analyzing a bolted aluminum connection for fatigue. That's just what I see. Again, I don't design campers, but I do literally design structures, and this is just a smaller version, subjected to loading that I can easily grasp and assimilate into the types of loading I deal with daily.

I think both SP and GFC use 75lb struts, not sure why LP went so light with the ones on the prototype. 35 seconds on Google told me that.


All in all I'm just excited because I was never going to pay $9,000+ for a GFC or $13,000+ for a SP X1, but $5,000 for this one is too awesome to pass up! Will know in 2 more days about the pre-ordering process.

 

[MR E30]

I believe the big push to get this out in front of people was to get pre-orders to fund production. I was not really into placing a $5,000 pre-order for something that I had only seen CAD renderings of. Getting a proof of concept prototype into the world made a lot of sense if their goal was to get people to commit to pre-orders.

My friggin ReTrax tonneau cover still gets tons of dust into the bed. I swear I have sealed every hole and gap in the truck bed, including tailgate seals. It's just inevitable unless you get a true truck bed camper.

I wonder if they'll consider doing a welded frame now that they are shipping fully assembled? Something I'll ask for sure. The bolt-together model was because they were going to be shipped as a DIY kit of sorts. So since that is out, I'd for sure like to see some welds in there, at a minimum on the main structural components. However, the SP XL is a rivieted frame, not welded, and I am not aware of any structural issues with those.

I think both SP and GFC use 75lb struts, not sure why LP went so light with the ones on the prototype. 35 seconds on Google told me that.

All in all I'm just excited because I was never going to pay $9,000+ for a GFC or $13,000+ for a SP X1, but $5,000 for this one is too awesome to pass up! Will know in 2 more days about the pre-ordering process.

All good points.

I appreciate your conversation and I look forward to hearing/seeing more in the days to come.

 

[Zillon]

I wonder if they'll consider doing a welded frame now that they are shipping fully assembled? Something I'll ask for sure. The bolt-together model was because they were going to be shipped as a DIY kit of sorts. So since that is out, I'd for sure like to see some welds in there, at a minimum on the main structural components. However, the SP XL is a rivieted frame, not welded, and I am not aware of any structural issues with those.

GFC went bolted because you can produce more by not welding. Hard to find qualified TIG welders these days, let alone delivery drivers.

All in all I'm just excited because I was never going to pay $9,000+ for a GFC or $13,000+ for a SP X1, but $5,000 for this one is too awesome to pass up! Will know in 2 more days about the pre-ordering process.

Yeah, at $10k for a GFC, I'm definitely out.

I was considering a Snap Outfitters Treehouse but they jumped from $8k or so to $11k+ - and now lead times are 6-7 months out. They're my only local option outside of an ACCC, and that's just way more than I need or want, as much as I love them.

Really hurts getting priced out of the market on everything anymore. At $5k I'm really paying close attention to this.

 

[jaywo]

Hello all,

I was in the market for a camper and after trying out the GFC and Super Pacific, I had the opportunity to try the Lone Peak and decided it was the best option for me.

After that I contacted Kyle to to become a brand ambassador. As such I am able to share promo codes for the launch as well.
I am going to share a few impressions and if you have questions let me know. Keep in mind I am an ambassador now, however those are my true impressions ; if they weren’t this wouldn’t be the product I would have chosen for myself.

Also, I won’t be getting a free or loaned camper as an ambassador just to make this clear!

• first of all the overall finish and quality was great and better than I expected for a prototype. I noticed a few things that could be improved, such as the tension for the top portion of the tent, but all of them were already on Kyle’s list of improvements for production. I was expecting to see low end fabrics and materials because of the price, but that wasn’t the case. According to Kyle, he can beat competition pricing for 2 reasons. The first is because of manufacturing process. He kept things simple and efficient when a super pacific requires a lot more man hours to have curved panels etc. The second is because of margin. A Super Pacific used to cost a lot less. Since they couldn’t meet demand, they raised the price multiple times because why not have higher margins if you have more buyers than you need? Kyle is going with lower margins to offer something more affordable. I don’t know how long this will last, because I expect a huge success for this camper after I have tried it.
• When open and going inside the Major difference with a GFC and Super Pacific is the interior space. It’s huge and very livable. I absolutely love the way the tent pushes out which gives a lot more room than a tent that inclines toward the inside of the bed. Also the large space between the bed and the back is super nice. Lastly, the bed that moves up is a game changer for me vs the GFC concept where you always have to remove pieces of the bed.
• Speaking of interior space, as a 6’6” person I can’t fit on the bed in a GFC because my feet press against the top of the camper at the low section. Here no pbm because the bed can move backward
• The mattress is the most comfortable I have tried of any tent and camper, period. Also lets you store sleeping bags on top.
• The Gear Vault is a must in my opinion. It makes essentials easy to reach and it’s a very clever feature.
• The drop down tables that act as a desk are also well designed and really useful.
• The interior lighting system is also very well done, and you can control it with an app. Convenient when in bed.
• Having a small ladder inside to crawl into the bed is nice for people with mobility issues, but unnecessary for me, I’ll just remove it to save weight. It also nicely packs nicely below the bed if you need to use it from time to time.

Overall, it really is a mix of the best features from existing campers, with a few additional innovative features and more interior space. For those reasons, it would be my first pick if all were are the same price.
The fact that the Lone Peak is half the price of the competition is even better.

For $250 off accessories, feel free to use promo code LANDSCAPTURER at checkout.

 

[BP89]

Hello all,

I was in the market for a camper and after trying out the GFC and Super Pacific, I had the opportunity to try the Lone Peak and decided it was the best option for me.

After that I contacted Kyle to to become a brand ambassador. As such I am able to share promo codes for the launch as well.
I am going to share a few impressions and if you have questions let me know. Keep in mind I am an ambassador now, however those are my true impressions ; if they weren’t this wouldn’t be the product I would have chosen for myself.

Also, I won’t be getting a free or loaned camper as an ambassador just to make this clear!

• first of all the overall finish and quality was great and better than I expected for a prototype. I noticed a few things that could be improved, such as the tension for the top portion of the tent, but all of them were already on Kyle’s list of improvements for production. I was expecting to see low end fabrics and materials because of the price, but that wasn’t the case. According to Kyle, he can beat competition pricing for 2 reasons. The first is because of manufacturing process. He kept things simple and efficient when a super pacific requires a lot more man hours to have curved panels etc. The second is because of margin. A Super Pacific used to cost a lot less. Since they couldn’t meet demand, they raised the price multiple times because why not have higher margins if you have more buyers than you need? Kyle is going with lower margins to offer something more affordable. I don’t know how long this will last, because I expect a huge success for this camper after I have tried it.
• When open and going inside the Major difference with a GFC and Super Pacific is the interior space. It’s huge and very livable. I absolutely love the way the tent pushes out which gives a lot more room than a tent that inclines toward the inside of the bed. Also the large space between the bed and the back is super nice. Lastly, the bed that moves up is a game changer for me vs the GFC concept where you always have to remove pieces of the bed.
• Speaking of interior space, as a 6’6” person I can’t fit on the bed in a GFC because my feet press against the top of the camper at the low section. Here no pbm because the bed can move backward
• The mattress is the most comfortable I have tried of any tent and camper, period. Also lets you store sleeping bags on top.
• The Gear Vault is a must in my opinion. It makes essentials easy to reach and it’s a very clever feature.
• The drop down tables that act as a desk are also well designed and really useful.
• The interior lighting system is also very well done, and you can control it with an app. Convenient when in bed.
• Having a small ladder inside to crawl into the bed is nice for people with mobility issues, but unnecessary for me, I’ll just remove it to save weight. It also nicely packs nicely below the bed if you need to use it from time to time.

Overall, it really is a mix of the best features from existing campers, with a few additional innovative features and more interior space. For those reasons, it would be my first pick if all were are the same price.
The fact that the Lone Peak is half the price of the competition is even better.

For $200 off accessories, feel free to use promo code LANDSCAPTURER at checkout.

Great feedback and something I definitely plan to try to be a part of. I really appreciate the additional insight!

 

[Roam.Wild]

Ambassador squad! Now just the long long 7 month wait =[

 

[TexasSixSeven]

Anybody in here order? I tried at 5am and kept having issues. Finally got through at 815. Order number says 1034. I’m hoping there weren’t 1K+ orders before me lol

 

[MR E30]

Anybody in here order? I tried at 5am and kept having issues. Finally got through at 815. Order number says 1034. I’m hoping there weren’t 1K+ orders before me lol

Lol yeah hopefully he started out at 1,000 and went up from there!