(mostly) Low-cost 4x4 diesel high capacity chassis examples

dhackney

Expedition Leader


Thanks for the listing, doubleb!


1980 INTERNATIONAL 5050

$13,900

6' STINGER ON THE REAR, 4X4, TRANSMISSION RT0613, 13 SP TRANNY, ALUMINUM CAB GUARD; Gross Vehicle Weight (lbs): 35000; 4x4


Even though it's located in Boring, OR, I'm guessing there'd be little boring about this build project or its utilization. :)


http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=3582081&


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dhackney

Expedition Leader
This thread has been a timeslice, a snapshot, of the U.S. market for high capacity 4x4 (and some 6x6) chassis examples.

It has shown that there are actually quite a few out there at a wide range of price points.

But, as you've probably noticed, they are almost all conventional cabs.

That can make for a smoother ride, but it's not optimum for space utilization, meaning the maximum payload for a given overall vehicle length.

AFAIK, the Fuso FG remains the only factory 4x4 cabover / forward control chassis sold in the U.S., although the new-to-market civilian versions of the BAE military chassis are now becoming available. http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/75446-BAE-SD-Brazos-Chassis-now-available-through-GXV

For those who are looking for a lower priced 4x4 or 6x6 high-capacity cabover chassis here in the U.S., it usually comes down to finding a rare cabover straight truck that was converted to 4x4 by a specialty shop such as Tulsa Truck. http://www.tulsatruckmfg.com/cabover.html

BTW, if you want to do your own, Tulsa Truck quoted me $26-28k for a 4x4 conversion for an air brake cabover chassis back in 2009. I don't know the current pricing.

If you don't want to do your own, if you are looking for a factory 4x4 or 6x6 in a cabover / forward control chassis, and especially if you are planning to take the truck to other parts of the world, then a non-U.S.-market truck is an option.

Again, keep in mind, I know little to nothing about these big trucks, so there may be big caveats with these listings and there may be more, different or better suppliers.

As with the other listings in this thread, I'm only trying to provide some food for thought and a snapshot of pricing. OK, yes, it's expedition vehicle chassis porn. There, we've said it.

But, again, it's just a timeslice/snapshot view, so if you're viewing this thread months or years from now, pricing and availability will have changed.

The following listings and prices all came from L. Jackson & Company, a UK company specializing in ex-NATO trucks and equipment. http://www.ljacksonandco.com/

And, just an FYI, they also sell armored G-Wagons, Range Rovers and ATVs if you want to use one as a dinghy on your 8x8. http://www.ljacksonandco.com/index.php?option=com_joodb&view=catalog&Itemid=230

It is my (tenuous) understanding that the truck must be at least 25 years from manufacture model year to import it into the U.S., 15 years for Canada.

It is also my less tenuous understanding that you can bring a vehicle into the U.S. for up to one year for testing, demonstration, modification, etc. That means you can bring it in for your build, but would then need to leave on your RTW trip.


Temporary Import (added 2012-06-22)

NONRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
A vehicle registered in a country other than the United States may be imported for personal use by a non-resident of the United States for a period not to exceed one year. The vehicle cannot be sold while in the United States and must be exported within one year from the date of entry. This period cannot be extended under any circumstances. The importer’s passport number and the name of the country that issued the passport must be supplied on the HS-7 Declaration form. Use Box 5 on the HS-7 Declaration form.

RESEARCH, INVESTIGATION, DEMONSTRATION, TRAINING, OR RACING
A vehicle may be imported for research, investigation, demonstrations or training, or competitive racing events. Unless the importer is a manufacturer that certifies vehicles as complying with all applicable Federal motor vehicle safety standards, the importer must obtain prior approval from NHTSA. An application form to obtain this approval can be downloaded at http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/racing/box7form.pdf. When completed, the application form, with substantiating information, should be faxed to 202-493-0073. If you have questions or need further details, please call 202-366-5291. The importer must attach a copy of the NHTSA permission letter and the importer's substantiating statement to the HS-7 Declaration form. Use Box 7 on HS-7 Declaration form.

INTENDED FOR EXPORT
Vehicles or regulated equipment intended solely for export must be labeled or tagged “FOR EXPORT” on the vehicle or equipment item, and the outside of any container in which the vehicle or equipment item is shipped. This type of entry may be used to temporarily import a vehicle for repair. Use Box 4 on the HS-7 Declaration form.



Here are some links on vehicle import into the U.S.:



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(In an effort to keep all the import info in one place, I integrated this info from post: http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...pacity-chassis-examples?p=1128572#post1128572 ) (added 2012-06-22)

This link relates to bringing in vehicles that are old enough to bypass the ICI process:

https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/det...lkL0ZWUEVBUC1r

Excerpts:

If the vehicle is at least 21 years old, there are no EPA compliance requirements upon importation.
If the vehicle is 25 years old or more, it does not have to comply with the DOT's Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) to be imported permanently.



The age of the vehicle is determined by subtracting the calendar year of manufacture from the calendar year of importation.

As of 2012, those cutoff years are:
21 years: 1991
25 years: 1987

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(added 2012-06-22)

There is a list of vehicles that have been through the process for acceptance into the U.S. They are almost all cars, light trucks and motorcycles. If a vehicle is on this list, then the importer does not need to petition for allowance, etc.

The list is here: http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/elig100111.pdf

The Canada Path

If you can get the manufacturer to certify that the vehicle complies with Canadian requirements, you may be able to leverage this clause in the "List of Nonconforming Vehicles Eligible for Importation":

VEHICLES CERTIFIED BY THEIR ORIGINAL MANUFACTURER AS COMPLYING WITH ALL APPLICABLE CANADIAN MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARDS
Import Eligibility Number: VSA-82
Descriptions of Eligible Vehicles: All multipurpose passenger vehicles, trucks, and buses with a GVWR greater than 4,536 kg (10,000 lb) that are less than 25 years old.
Docket Number - Online: NHTSA-2007-28692

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One alternative to importing the chassis at all would be to build a camper box and ship it to where the truck chassis is. Then mount the box, register the truck wherever it is or in a different friendly jurisdiction and start your RTW trip from there.


Note that shipping costs, ICI costs, etc. are not included in the price quotes.

Quoted prices include inspection and prep (basic mechanical function) but no painting.


As with all of these listings, I have no personal knowledge of these trucks or any affiliation with the seller, etc.

All previous caveats about fully researching anything you are interested in should be heeded.

For instance, some of these ex-NATO trucks use air cooled engines that are probably *very* loud.

Is your traveling partner ready and willing to wear these the entire way around the world? :)

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dwh

Tail-End Charlie
If you are building an all-weather truck, which you'd better be if you are planning to travel the world, then what better way to start than with an insulated box?

Stephen Stewart had the box for his mog built by a company that does refrigerated boxes. 30mm walls. He said that if he was to do it again, he'd go with 60mm insulation - at least around the sleeping area.
 

dhackney

Expedition Leader
Doug, you got me to searching that Commercial Truck Trader site, and I found this '90 Doka Unimog. Not sure if it qualifies as 'low cost,' though, at $75K...

Lynn,

Thanks for the listing.

BTW, we should hook up, I'm in your area.



Here's the detail.

This is a U.S. listed and registered truck.

The Unimogs are not really "high capacity," so I'm not including a bunch of listings for them.

If you are interested in finding a Unimog, there are a ton listed here: http://www.unimog.net/exchange/index.php?page=1 and probably a bunch of other places that the mog guys can point you to. Ask here: http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/forums/26-Unimog-and-MB-Truck


1990 Unimog Doka (crew cab)

$75,000

120,000 miles

1990 UNIMOG OTHER, 366 Turbo Charged Diesel Engine, Waterproof With Snorkel, Fast Axles, 8 Speed Manual Transmission, 4 Reverse Gears, Shift On Fly 4WD. Full Locking Differentials, Air Compressor, Air Ride Seats, New Michelin XM47 Tires, 12,000Lbs Winch, Mechanically Excellent. All Parts and Accessories Still Produced By Mercedes Benz $75000

http://www.commercialtrucktrader.com/find/listing/1990-UNIMOG-OTHER-103466808

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dhackney

Expedition Leader
1986 Mercedes 1017-A 4x4

Canadian listing

CDN $26,000 / USD $25,211

1986 Mercedes 1017-A 4x4 cabover truck, hydraulic tilt cab, 18' flat 3-point mounted camper deck, OM352 turbo-diesel, 5-speed transmission, 2-speed transfer case, rear differential lock, 78'000 km, no rust. Includes 5 new wide rims for single tires, very clean, inspected.

listing dated Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 01:00 GMT.

The link is here, but the page will change as new listings roll in. http://www.unimog.net/exchange/index.php?page=1

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westyss

Explorer
Great job finding these porn trucks,,, but when I view the pics and spec sheets something comes to mind........when I was looking for a piece of heavy equipment earthmoving type stuff a fellow that was helping me said-

" dont forget that right now these are not much money to buy but that when it was new it was $___,000 to buy and the parts and maintenance will reflect the original price, thats why its for sale now."

That has always stuck with me, I have no clue as to how much it costs to keep one of these going but my imagination runs rampant thinking about it! Just something to think about- even though I would like to have one of those beasts!
 

Entropy

Observer
I don't think you can buy one anywhere, but if you really need high capacity there the MZKT-79221 with a payload capacity of greater than 100,000 pounds:

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In the "price is no object" category you can get it's little brother here which has a similar payload.

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