Odyssey vs. Diehard Platinum

Antichrist

Expedition Leader
The Platinum is the only one made by Enersys. The Gold isn't.
You might want to look at the Exide Orbital rather than Optima. When I got mine, they spec'd out better than Optima. CCA/RC/Warranty/Price
 

Corey

OverCamping Specialist
Thanks, I think what I will have to do is call up the guy at Blue Torch Fab and see what else fits.
I would hate to mail order a battery or even pick one up at a store and not have it fit.
The tray I have was specifically made to fit a Yellowtop.
 

Beowulf

Expedition Leader
I would like to hear why they think the Platinum should not be used as a starting battery. I have used mine for a year now and have not had any problems. Plus, I have never heard mention of this from anyone else on the platinum or the odyssey.
 

Antichrist

Expedition Leader
I've been running a platinum P-4 since Feb of '09 and it starts the car as well now as it did when just installed.

The guy at Sears may have been talking about one of the Marine ones. Common wisdom says a deep cycle shouldn't be used as a starting battery.
On the other hand the longest life I've ever gotten from a battery was a Sears Diehard Deep Cycle I had in my Lightweight and used for both starting and winching, all of it in VT/OH/WI. I think that battery lasted me about 8 years or more.
 

Corey

OverCamping Specialist
Yes, I told him I wanted to put the P-5 in the stock location like other FJ owners are, and he said deep cycle, so may have been thinking of the marine one.

He said the deep cycles do not do so well if just sitting there and not getting used like my Optima one is.

I explained to him though that Painless Wiring's dual battery kit states to not hook anything upto the secondary battery at all, and to hook winches, lights, ect to the stock battery only.

I know, it sounds weird, but that is the way the Painless instructions state to do it, then if you run your primary battery down (fridge on to long for an example) you can flip the in cab switch to the secondary battery and fire up the rig.

My Painless kit lets me select a position on the three way switch too that will charge the secondary battery when you are driving.
Plus I use the solar setup too to keep the main battery charged when camping.

I did contact Torch Fab on the battery box I have, so hopefully I will hear back tomorrow to see if I am stuck using another Optima in that box or not.

For sure though I am going with a Platinum P-5 in the stock location later.
Coming up on five years this July with the stock battery, and sometimes it is a little sluggish starting it on a cold morning.
 

wrcsixeight

Adventurer
Thanks, wrcsixeight.
But I gotta wonder...surely when I go to a store and pick up a battery...there's a good chance it's been sitting there a while. So I wonder, what then is a good rule of thumb for max "buy before use" time -- 3 mos? 6 mos? 8 mos?

All batteries have date codes when they were manufactured. It is usually stamped into the plastic case, and might need some deceiphering. Some like wal mart put stickers on them when they were last charged. It is certainly a good thing they occasionally charge them, but I've seen 3 month old stickers on them, so even if they did charge it to near 100%, after 3 months a flooded battery could be in the 70 to 80% range from self discharge alone, and be sulfating.

Usually, trying to save money on batteries doesn't work.

I was in a west Marine store. They were having a sale on AGM batteries. I checked the date code, 14 months old, and put a voltmeter on it. 12.37 volts.

Even at half price, I would not have bought one of those batteries.

Deep cycle batteries can certainly start a vehicle, but they should be at least 30% physically larger to provide similar cold cranking amps.

I have one wally world dual purpose/ marine/trolling.rv/"deep cycle" battery in my engine compartment. It is over 3 years old now and is no longer cycled. I also have 2 deep cycles Crown's. The 2 crowns turn the engine over significantly faster than the Everstart, even when depleted to 60%.
 

Corey

OverCamping Specialist
I spoke with Les Schwab Tires who I have dealt with for eons about my situation running the second battery as a starting battery only per Painless's instructions, and he said then my Yellowtop (deep cycle) is the wrong one to use.

The correct one to use is the Redtop which is a starting battery, makes sense since I never run down and recharge the second battery, it is only used in case I drain the main battery which as all the goods (winch, CB, HAM, fridge, Maggiolina light) hooked to it.
The solar setup I run takes care of recharging the stock battery.

A good choice when my Toyota battery dies is to replace it with a deep cycle Platinum Diehard.

Looks like I will be getting a Redtop this coming weekend to replace the Yellowtop.
 

Maximus Ram

Expedition Leader
Yep, looks like when I can afford it, I'll be getting the group 35 p-5 battery for the Dodge. But that will mean that I need to upgrade the cable to a set that will accomadate the military connectors I have for it.
Maybe they'll have a black friday deal on them .....:coffeedrink:
 

Maximus Ram

Expedition Leader
Well , went and picked up a Sears Platinum tonight. Got the 34/78. It has top and side terminals. And it was only 199 , not the 209 it shows online, so that was a plus. 8 year warrenty and 4 year free replacement.
My question is, since they recommend that the side mounts not be used for accessories because off the continuos load on them, so what if I used the side mounts for the battery cables and used the top posts for the accessories using my military style lugs to attach them ? Possible ? Good/Bad ? Maybe ?
 

Antichrist

Expedition Leader
My question is, since they recommend that the side mounts not be used for accessories because off the continuos load on them, so what if I used the side mounts for the battery cables and used the top posts for the accessories using my military style lugs to attach them ? Possible ? Good/Bad ? Maybe ?
Did you check with Enersys to see what they say about side terminal loads? I know on many batteries they aren't up to snuff for things like a winch, but since the Enersys batteries are marketed as a heavier duty battery they may be ok.

As for your question, there shouldn't be any issue hooking things up as described. Or just everything on the top posts.
 

Maximus Ram

Expedition Leader
Did you check with Enersys to see what they say about side terminal loads? I know on many batteries they aren't up to snuff for things like a winch, but since the Enersys batteries are marketed as a heavier duty battery they may be ok.

As for your question, there shouldn't be any issue hooking things up as described. Or just everything on the top posts.

Sounds like a plan..I'll check their site. Thanks.
 

Maximus Ram

Expedition Leader
Antichrist, just went back and reread the thread. I see where you had already posted an answer to my question.
Guess I'll go ahead and hook it up the same way I had the optima.
Thanks
 

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