Overland Journal Project Land Rover Discovery 4 (LR4)

JAK

JAK:JeremySnow
Edited because I learned to read earlier posts :)

What is the windfall upgrade alluded to earlier that was taking time from the "bump stop"?

What level of "suspension failure" causes an issue? I assume these issues would not occur at the stock wheel size?

Is there a trade off between 265/65 R18 and 265/70 R18?

I currently have 265/60 R18 and I am looking at a second set of wheels/tires for trails only. I was just curious on your take on an LR3 setup because you have a very knowledgeable and well thought out approach. Is it really as simple as the gain is 1/2" clearance for each step up and the pain is trimming to fit and suspension failure will result in an increased level of interference for each step up as well?

Also, how is the driveability affected at the new height etc.? Are you happy with the performance of the rig with the larger tires? Have you had any issues with the reduction in articulation?

Sorry for the questions.

To answer the question of suspension failure I will give you my recent experience. I run Goodyear 275/65 R18 M/T tires.These are 32.3 inch tire. I do not have the third row seats so I do not have the A/C lines running in the rear. I have bent the body flange in the rear to have more clearance for trail debris. This was not required for the 32.3 tire. My LR3 is a 2006 so the front body horns are bolt on and do not protrude into the wheel well. I have relocated the driver's side from ABS wire harness higher on the frame. Now to my suspension failure. I had a left rear height sensor go bad resulting in extremely out of bounds values being passed to the computer. I was driving at 55-60 mph on the freeway. I received the proverbial ding from the dash and a suspension fault indication. This fault indicated max speed 30 MPH. Now the vehicle drops to the bump stops. There is a lot of talk about bump stops on the LR3. Here is what they actually are.
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Item number 4. This image is from roverpartswest.com

When the air bag deflates the entire shock/spring assembly collapses and compresses this little "buffer" as its called. This thing is rubber and provides a bit of springiness. When you drop onto these you'll feel like a low riding Civic. The truck just bobs up and down with the road. As far as I can tell there is no hard bump stop either way on the truck and the shock spring assembly does it all. While at the bump stops I had minor rubbing on the plastic fender liners only. This only happened when the trucked bounced down compressing the "buffer." I had about a half mile to get off the freeway and another mile into a parking lot so that I could hook up my fault mate. I did not go lock to lock on the steering but I did go close pulling into the driveway. If this happened on the trail I'd be in for a bit of work as the ground clearance would be minimal, say 4 inches or so to lowest point. I was not stuck. The wheels did not grind their way into the chassis. I could move. My point is that there has been so much attention given to the drop to bump stop issue that a more important point is often missed. ALL trucks have weaknesses. My last run in Death Valley had a truck loose a brake line. That can put a more critical end to your day than a suspension fault. With the stock tire size you'll still be sitting about 4 inches off the ground maybe less. With the LR3 your tool bag should include a fault reader, knowledge of which fuses to pull to shut of the air suspension when you get it back in the air. Some inline fittings to patch damaged hoses back together if a rock kicks up and cuts one. Tubing is 6mm. Lastly, you are in the right place. This group on this board is amazing. Each run a slightly different setup and have pushed the limits a bit on what the truck can and can't do.

When you lift the LR3 with adjustable rods or software, more air is pumped into the air spring. This increases the spring rate and makes the ride harsher. The LR3 does not crave corners so a 1/2 lift is not going to feel much different. I run about 2 inches higher and as a result I end up driving slower to compensate.
 
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Scott Brady

Founder
Eh? Aesthetically the Lr3 and LR4 got goofed up by being designed for non-UK market which is why the window dips on the right instead of left like it used to for Discovery 1 and 2.

Which is why is looks appropriate on the right for the LR3 and LR4, where the tire was mounted on the Discovery I and II. Aesthetics are in the details. Mounting to the right not only follows the heritage of the model, but also eliminates removing/relocating and covering the license plate holder. The result is a clean appearance that is consistent with prior model discoveries. The right side is the only appropriate mounting location for the single spare IMHO.


I don't understand what you are saying about "practical" "curb loading"?

The only advantage of mounting the tire to the left is curb loading. In a LHD country, you park against the curb with the right side of the car. A right mounted tire would block access to the rear of the truck in a parallel parking scenario. That is why the Disco I and II all opened to the right side, where in a RHD country it would allow easy access to the open boot from the curb side.
 

Scott Brady

Founder
On the Discovery I and II, the spare tire is mounted to the right side.
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As a result, a single spare tire should also be mounted to the right side of the LR3 and LR4. It is details like this that make the difference. The legacy of the Discovery follows a form, a pattern. Deviate from the pattern and the project deviates from the legacy of the model. The result is odd, at least subliminally.

Even the factory Kaymar fitment is to the right
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The ARB Discovery 3 fitment, also to the right
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ricker

Member
Hi Scott,

At OX13 I was looking at the project LR4 truck and noticed that you still had a spare tire/wheel in the original location under the back. How do you access the crank mechanism with the drawer system in place? I am considering a drawer system (Front Runner had a really nice system for the LR3/LR4 at the Expo), but am concerned about access to the underfloor compartment that houses the jack, tools, crank, etc. (I have a 2010 5 seat model). I store quite a bit of other stuff under the floor as well. At the moment I don't have any plans for a swing away tire carrier but may need to have a rethink if I want a drawer system.

Thanks,

David
 

Scott Brady

Founder
At OX13 I was looking at the project LR4 truck and noticed that you still had a spare tire/wheel in the original location under the back.

I decided to keep the second spare just in case. Particularly when I was running the 20s. The drawer system comes out with some effort (about 15 min), but if I am into my second spare, it will be worth the effort (grin).

The drawer system is ideal in the LR4, particularly with the triple-split rear seat. You can install the fridge in the center position and have a really low deck height. Comfortable for sleeping and lots of convenience. I need to work on the gun divider for one side next.

Sorry I missed you at the show.
 

proper4wd

Expedition Leader
The spare tire winch on these removes very easily. If you were so inclined, it would not take much fab work to replace it with a simple threaded rod and nut system to hold the spare on from below, although it would not be as easy to use as the winch (when unobstructed)
 

LR Max

Local Oaf
Replace unused underside spare tire with big ammo box. Only keep super ultra "oh crap I am SOL" crap in there. Raise and lower only when you are super SOL.

Out of sight, out of the way, but still have it. Win.
 

A.J.M

Explorer
Have you got any under body protection fitted to it?

I've seen a few people post up what they have fitted to their LR43/4 and was wondering what you have fitted?

Looking to get a full under body protection kit for my D3 and some sliders as i've bent the side steps out of shape more times than i can count and i really need something tough but can also act as a side step to help get in/out. ( I'm a short ********, so i need them haha )
 

Scott Brady

Founder
Not to get too far off topic, but....why a 110 over a 90? Do you feel the 110 is a better choice and if so, why?

The 110 just works better in nearly every scenario I expect to encounter. Longer wheelbase, more stable, more payload, more cargo space, you can easily sleep inside, etc. The 110 just works better for exploration and travel tasks. The best would be both!
 

A.J.M

Explorer
How do you like the sill protection you have? Is it still in good condition or is it rather bent out of shape?

Any favoured kit for the engine and transmission guards?
 

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