JH, as tto the road the Piccacho club is on, don't remeber the name. But when you come south from the road(87?) to the prison and Eloy on the frontage road, there is a bar on the east side of the freeway, where the road heading west is, which you follow past the jail to the end, maybe 4-5 miles. We would always make a point to go and practice after limiting out on ducks at the Piccacho resevoir, really nice course and great owners. If any of you are ever interested, let me know and I will come up with much better directions.