Recovery how-not-to

JIMBO

Expedition Leader
:sombrero: Total agreement, 3/4" shackles will do most of the jobs (see my last pic, with the yellow nylon rope), but

Most of the purpose vehicles, come equipped with the hooks and we don't provide everything thats required, for the complete expedition vehicle

I've got hooks on the front bumper and those are for light duty ONLY, I don't INTEND, ever pulling somebody stuck in mud, using reverse anyway-mores the pity !!

:victory::smiley_drive::safari-rig::safari-rig: JIMBO
 

Hilldweller

SE Expedition Society
Why wouldn't they just girth hitch the straps together?
Right; faster and easier too.



...and the second little pig made his recovery shackle out of wood...

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Donsfast

Observer
A better solution for not have recover hooks on your rig.

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Not a good idea....I have been in the auto towing industry for many years and these shouldnt be used for recovery at all. They are made for securing a car to a carrier or flatbed and nothing else. The usual problem you run into is the frame bending around the hook because of the huge amount of pressure at one small point of contact. Its a huge issue with unibody vehicles and another issue is the WLL of those hooks. They just arent designed for that amount of force.
 

Metcalf

Expedition Leader
One of the worst things about this idea is that it offers no way to retain itself when the rigging system becomes slack......

I can see one of those hooks coming out of place and causing a very bad scene.

For connecting two straps I have used the eye in eye method many times over the years without any problems. It takes a little work to get the straps to loosen up after a hard pull....no tools required though, no added weight.

Might want to move this to the recovery section too.....good thread.
 

ntsqd

Heretic Car Camper
I have seen and read of a large stick or similar being put in the middle of two straps hooked together to make separating them afterwards much easier, but I have not had reason to test the idea.

The straps then cinch down on the whatever rather than directly on each other. Sort of like putting a fid in the middle of the join before putting the load on it.
Should the whatever fail the straps just cinch down on each other and the join isn't lost. With any luck the failed what ever parts don't become projectiles, but the what ever should be chosen to be strong enough for this not to be a problem.
 

Scott Brady

Founder
I wouldn't even use a shackle to connect two straps. A shackle is also a missile.
I use a knot with some twigs in it so it can be pulled apart afterwards.

Exactly.

Having a "trail recovery hook" as a connection point between two straps is incredibly dangerous as a missile hazard and entirely unnecessary when such a simple solution exists.

Step one: You need to extend a recovery strap. A good example of this is in mud, where the stuck vehicle is too far from ground with sufficient traction for the recovering vehicle. It is entirely acceptable to extend a kinetic rope with a non-kinetic rope, as the damping and kinetic effect of the recovery strap is still present. This is for a dynamic recovery scenario.
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Step Two:
You need a sturdy magazine (or similar, like a dowel). Its purpose will be described later. Overland Journal makes a thick, sturdy magazine ;)
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Step Three:
Pass the primary rope/strap through the eye of the extension rope/strap. This is where high-quality straps are important, with large loops and reinforced eyes. Both ropes should be similar in capacity and eye construction.
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Step Four:
Now, pass the end of the extension rope/strap through the primary.
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Step Five:
Here is where the magazine comes in. Ropes/straps/cables are most susceptible to damage/failure on an extreme bend, or when wrapped around a small diameter. There is also a smearing effect caused by the connection above, which is created by the constricting of the eyes into a smaller and smaller knot as the load increases. The reason to use the magazine is to reduce the radius of the knot and limit the constriction. The magazine also makes it super easy to separate the connection at the knot.

Roll the magazine.
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Step Six:
Insert the magazine into the knot, where the two straps touch between the eyes
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Step Seven:
Set the knot with some pressure, which will prevent the magazine from sliding out.
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Ready to rock!
 
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Scott Brady

Founder
Not a good idea....I have been in the auto towing industry for many years and these shouldnt be used for recovery at all. They are made for securing a car to a carrier or flatbed and nothing else. The usual problem you run into is the frame bending around the hook because of the huge amount of pressure at one small point of contact. Its a huge issue with unibody vehicles and another issue is the WLL of those hooks. They just arent designed for that amount of force.

I would like to work through this comment in detail. I have also seen the deformation of the frame holes when using a transit cluster. I would also agree that the primary use of the transit cluster is for transport when a lashing point is not available. However, the need for a solution still exists.

The transit cluster does not replace a proper recovery point, however, I have encountered many scenarios when I am recovering a stuck vehicle that does not have proper recovery points. It is shockingly frequent.

What connection would you recommend for a vehicle without a recovery point?
 

logos

Observer
Why can't you use a shackle to connect two straps? I know most quality shackles have a 5 ton WLL and there is a safety factor of around 6:1 which would make its breaking strength around 60,000 lb.
 
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MuddyOval

Guest
Why can't you use a shackle to connect two straps? I know most quality shackles have a 5 ton WLL and there is a safety factor of around 6:1 which would make its breaking strength around 60,000 lb.

It's not the shackle that is assumed could break easily, it's the strap. Many people use old straps with rotted stitching or cuts in them. If the end of the strap comes apart under tension, the shackle then becomes a very heavy and deadly projectile.
 

Cabrito

I come in Peace
I'm learning and re-learning things in this thread that are going to save me someday. I have since edited my earlier posts.

Thanks guys!
 

Rexsname

Explorer
I guess it comes down to the question....Would you rather get hit in the head with a high speed D-ring shakle or a high speed Overland Journal?

REX
 

Scott Brady

Founder
Why can't you use a shackle to connect two straps? I know most quality shackles have a 5 ton WLL and there is a safety factor of around 6:1 which would make its breaking strength around 60,000 lb.

It is not the WLL or MBS of the shackle, but the weight of the shackle should a strap or connection fail.

The primary reason for this is because of the nature of the recovery. Vehicle-to-vehicle recoveries (snatch) are dynamic and the recovery straps/ropes designed for that application are kinetic. i.e., they store energy, much like a rubber band, just before you shoot it at your coworker. :D And like a rubber band (imagine a big one), if you shoot it at someone, it might sting, but will probably not injure the person, because despite the velocity, there is little mass associated with the impact. However, if you take that same BIG rubber band, and attach a d-shackle to it, and shoot it at (lets say) your boss, it is going to do worse than leave a mark.

The goal is to reduce the weight of the system. Using a shackle increases the weight.

As a note, it is still recommended to dampen a recovery strap with a line damper.
 

ntsqd

Heretic Car Camper
Thanks Scott!
Exactly what I was trying to convey while lacking a picture.

snip......
Step Seven:
Set the knot with some pressure, which will prevent the magazine from sliding out.
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Ready to rock!
I have seen and read of a large stick or similar being put in the middle of two straps hooked together to make separating them afterwards much easier, but I have not had reason to test the idea.

The straps then cinch down on the whatever rather than directly on each other. Sort of like putting a fid in the middle of the join before putting the load on it.
Should the whatever fail the straps just cinch down on each other and the join isn't lost. With any luck the failed what ever parts don't become projectiles, but the what ever should be chosen to be strong enough for this not to be a problem.
 

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