Supertramp Flagship LT pop-up slide-in pickup camper

[Chadx]

Awesome info. Would I be able to buy and drop in the Victron batteries for an easy swap out or are the other components you mentioned required with the Victron batteries for charging and protection purposes?

The other Victron components are needed because they are not within the Victron batteries themselves. That is how the Victron batteries can be so compact. Sensors and communication board are still inside the batteries, but the main components are outside of the battery (main BMS, a Battery Protect for charge disconnect, a Battery Protect for load disconnect are external components and all are needed). But the good thing is those three items cover you whether you have one Victron battery or many (up to four in the case of Flagship). There are communication cables than run between the batteries and BMS. The BMS, in turn, connects and communicates with Battery Protect disconnects (one on charge side and one on load side) to disconnect current from charge sources and disconnect current to a load.

In my opinion, it is a bit complicated to retrofit/wire for the needed components after the fact, but it's doable. There are other brand batteries on the market that are more compact, and so can fit more capacity in the same footprint as the BattleBorn, so those are options to boost available amp hours in the same footprint as the BattleBorn batteries without needing external BMS and disconnects like is required for the Victron batteries, but none as small/dense as the Victron simply because those components are not internal and not repeated in each battery. The Victron batteries also don't have internal heat, so if heat is desired, that is an external, add-on solution.

 

[roamie]

@Brown229 it’s a newer option that ST offers. I’m glad too, I was not sure how I would be able to add something aftermarket but it was something that I wanted.

@Chadx I have most of those options minus the bunk bed, so lmk if there‘s anything you need as you do that write up, I could add pics or go through the manuals I have.

Speaking of, does anyone here have the Wrappon toilet? We’re out this weekend and got it out to setup for using it later (fortunately nothing urgent needed yet) and I’m sort of baffled by it. From the manufacturer it comes with a standard 2 prong outlet plug. However, SuperTramp have modified the power cable to have a solar panel plug instead.

I have no idea where we’re meant to plug this in. I do have the external solar panel port outside, but that should be for input not output. I tried plugging it in there just to see, and it does not power on as I expected. Additionally, the cable is too short to reach there, I had to build a makeshift platform to put it on to test this out.

I messaged their tech support but I’m not sure when I’ll hear back.

 

[Brown229]

The other Victron components are needed because they are not within the Victron batteries themselves. That is how the Victron batteries can be so compact. Sensors and communication board are still inside the batteries, but the main components are outside of the battery (main BMS, a Battery Protect for charge disconnect, a Battery Protect for load disconnect are external components and all are needed). But the good thing is those three items cover you whether you have one Victron battery or many (up to four in the case of Flagship). There are communication cables than run between the batteries and BMS. The BMS, in turn, connects and communicates with Battery Protect disconnects (one on charge side and one on load side) to disconnect current from charge sources and disconnect current to a load.

In my opinion, it is a bit complicated to retrofit/wire for the needed components after the fact, but it's doable. There are other brand batteries on the market that are more compact, and so can fit more capacity in the same footprint as the BattleBorn, so those are options to boost available amp hours in the same footprint as the BattleBorn batteries without needing external BMS and disconnects like is required for the Victron batteries, but none as small/dense as the Victron simply because those components are not internal and not repeated in each battery. The Victron batteries also don't have internal heat, so if heat is desired, that is an external, add-on solution.

Ok thank you for the info. I will have to look into the other options available to increase the amp hours within the same spot. 200 amp hours has been somewhat sufficient so far but if i could easily swap out my two batteries for two that have an additional 200 amp hours for a total of 400 then i would never have to think about power ever again.

 

[Brown229]

@Brown229 it’s a newer option that ST offers. I’m glad too, I was not sure how I would be able to add something aftermarket but it was something that I wanted.

@Chadx I have most of those options minus the bunk bed, so lmk if there‘s anything you need as you do that write up, I could add pics or go through the manuals I have.

Speaking of, does anyone here have the Wrappon toilet? We’re out this weekend and got it out to setup for using it later (fortunately nothing urgent needed yet) and I’m sort of baffled by it. From the manufacturer it comes with a standard 2 prong outlet plug. However, SuperTramp have modified the power cable to have a solar panel plug instead.

I have no idea where we’re meant to plug this in. I do have the external solar panel port outside, but that should be for input not output. I tried plugging it in there just to see, and it does not power on as I expected. Additionally, the cable is too short to reach there, I had to build a makeshift platform to put it on to test this out.

I messaged their tech support but I’m not sure when I’ll hear back.

Ok bummer. I would love to have that option.

I have the Wrappon and absolutely love it it. Are you trying to use the toilet outside of the camper? I recently just purchased the 12 volt plug from Wrappon to be able to use in our outside shower awning with it plugged into the small anker power station that we have.

 

[ruadhrigh]

@Brown229 it’s a newer option that ST offers. I’m glad too, I was not sure how I would be able to add something aftermarket but it was something that I wanted.

@Chadx I have most of those options minus the bunk bed, so lmk if there‘s anything you need as you do that write up, I could add pics or go through the manuals I have.

Speaking of, does anyone here have the Wrappon toilet? We’re out this weekend and got it out to setup for using it later (fortunately nothing urgent needed yet) and I’m sort of baffled by it. From the manufacturer it comes with a standard 2 prong outlet plug. However, SuperTramp have modified the power cable to have a solar panel plug instead.

I have no idea where we’re meant to plug this in. I do have the external solar panel port outside, but that should be for input not output. I tried plugging it in there just to see, and it does not power on as I expected. Additionally, the cable is too short to reach there, I had to build a makeshift platform to put it on to test this out.

I messaged their tech support but I’m not sure when I’ll hear back.

From what Kelsey told me yesterday, there should be a waterproof 12v plug in the shower basin. You should be able to use the Wrappon without removing it from there.

 

[roamie]

@ruadhrigh thank you so much, you’re right we totally overlooked that tucked in on the side in the shower basin! Our recollection was they told us it wasn’t really intended to be used inside, they must have meant the actual shower basin itself not the camper.

And yes @Brown229 we really wanted to use it outside in the shower stall, so I’ll have to see about getting a separate power cable for that like you did.

Awesome, we’re all set.

 

[Brown229]

@Brown229 it’s a newer option that ST offers. I’m glad too, I was not sure how I would be able to add something aftermarket but it was something that I wanted.

@Chadx I have most of those options minus the bunk bed, so lmk if there‘s anything you need as you do that write up, I could add pics or go through the manuals I have.

Speaking of, does anyone here have the Wrappon toilet? We’re out this weekend and got it out to setup for using it later (fortunately nothing urgent needed yet) and I’m sort of baffled by it. From the manufacturer it comes with a standard 2 prong outlet plug. However, SuperTramp have modified the power cable to have a solar panel plug instead.

I have no idea where we’re meant to plug this in. I do have the external solar panel port outside, but that should be for input not output. I tried plugging it in there just to see, and it does not power on as I expected. Additionally, the cable is too short to reach there, I had to build a makeshift platform to put it on to test this out.

I messaged their tech support but I’m not sure when I’ll hear back.

In the pictures below it shows how the Wrappon is plurged in while in use for inside the camper and then I highlighted the plug that gets unplugged to use with the Wrappon 12 volt plug and the power station we are using

 

[roamie]

@Brown229 I just ordered that cable, thank you!
I’ll probably try to find something like this adapter vs. using a separate battery: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Car-Ciga...r-110V-240V-AC-Wall-Power-To-12V-DC/375702937

Again, thank you @Brown229 and @ruadhrigh. We have some backup bags we would have used instead, but the rest of this weekend is going to be a lot nicer now.

 

[SimplyAnAdventure]

@Brown229 it’s a newer option that ST offers. I’m glad too, I was not sure how I would be able to add something aftermarket but it was something that I wanted.

@Chadx I have most of those options minus the bunk bed, so lmk if there‘s anything you need as you do that write up, I could add pics or go through the manuals I have.

Speaking of, does anyone here have the Wrappon toilet? We’re out this weekend and got it out to setup for using it later (fortunately nothing urgent needed yet) and I’m sort of baffled by it. From the manufacturer it comes with a standard 2 prong outlet plug. However, SuperTramp have modified the power cable to have a solar panel plug instead.

I have no idea where we’re meant to plug this in. I do have the external solar panel port outside, but that should be for input not output. I tried plugging it in there just to see, and it does not power on as I expected. Additionally, the cable is too short to reach there, I had to build a makeshift platform to put it on to test this out.

I messaged their tech support but I’m not sure when I’ll hear back.

So I have a Wrappon, I’m pretty sure mine was the first one ever in a ST because they gave me a TON of measurements before I committed to ordering the new version (I had a Wrappon Green and it definitely doesn’t fit). I ordered mine with the standard 12V adaptor and roll it up and place it beside the toilet. If/when you need to use it just pick up the coiled wire plug it into the 12V outlet and do your thing. I’m not sure this is something that need to be wired in by ST. And yes you can use it in place we don’t remove ours unless we are using the indoor shower.