Supertramp Paragon - Turnkey camper - Hardsided camper and 8' bed pickup

[Chadx]

For those curious, when I go through the price list included in the STC email mentioned by @Spencer for Hire and add every single camper option, but keep the base single cab XLT pickup, the price goes from $190k to about $228 and that includes 1,080Ah of battery, enclosed shower, passthrough, Starlink, A/C, skylight, screen door, awning, upgraded DC charging, rear molle panel, exterior storage boxes, extra exterior plug for portable solar and 600w solar blanket, an outdoor kitchen, and a bunch of smaller stuff.

Add on top of that the Premium package (bumps to Lariat trim on pickup, Paperstone countertops, custom color on powdercoated cabinets, etc.), change pickup to a crew cab configuration, add Stage 2 suspension upgrade (full Carli package and 37" tires) you are at $265k. Then you can add the usual Ford upgrade prices for things like diesel.

Just sharing to give an idea on fully optioned rig since posters on FB/Insta are full of comments that these will be way above $300k once you add a some options.

I checked the website and the "Build and Price" section is still not active for the Paragon.

 

[jaywo]

The Paragon is pretty compelling at the price (granted it will go up with options). I have been mulling selling our transit van (148hr AWD) at some point, and this definitely ticks a lot of boxes. I really l like the OVP Tahome as well as it has a bit more space, but if prices actually hold the $75k-$100k difference + the relative safety of a crew cab pick up (for a family of 4) makes a ton more sense for a "weekender" like myself.

Glad to see options starting to come out in this range! They both claim to be at overland expo in march as well. I think I will go to check them out this year!

We now know it doesn’t hold the 75-100K difference. Since with equivalent spec (37" etc) and loaded interior, it’s at 265K per Chad. It’s still a good difference though, with the Tahoma E. Nomad is also releasing theirs, for an unknown price. And if Geotrek would, it would be 230K since their sprinter version is 100K cheaper than the competition.
I also have a family, and the cab thing is both a pro and cons. Pro for safety, cons for comfort (you loose the entire cab space as a living space). Also, a pickup seat will be more comfortable than the van seat, but the seating position is worst (you sit low, vs high on a van, like semi truck drivers).

A Ford E box van vs a truck camper is a non ending series of pros and cons. A summary is that the box van will always win in interior space and livability and comfort (at comparable vehicle length), and the truck wins in safety, and cabin luxury if you are into leather ventilated seats and high technology. Offroad, there won’t be a difference between a 4x4 ford E on 37” and the Paragon. Equal capability and if anything the very short hood of the van makes it much easier to offroad without a spotter outside.

Personally between a Ford E at 330K and this truck at 270K, I am leaning towards the truck for the savings. But then come the Verus at 195K and the realization than the size and height of those vehicles is what will limit me offroad, and this becomes my number 1 on the list. Until they figure out sleeping for 4 that is.
If the 270K version of the Paragon was 200-230K I would be ordering today. 270K is basically 300K when including sales tax. I know this can be done, outpost showed it was possible on the slide in.

For those curious, when I go through the price list included in the STC email mentioned by @Spencer for Hire and throw every single camper option, but keep the base single cab XLT pickup, the price goes from $190k to about $228 and that includes 1,080Ah of battery, enclosed shower, passthrough, starlink, A/C, skylight, screen door, awning, upgraded DC charging, rear molle panel, exterior storage boxes, extra exterior plug for portable solar and 600w solar blanket, an outdoor kitchen, and a bunch of smaller stuff.

Add to that the Premium package (bumps to Lariat trim on pickup, paperstone countertops, custom color on powdercoated cabinets, etc.), change to a crew cab configuration, add Stage 2 suspension upgrade (full carli package and 37" tires) you are at $265k. Then you can add the usual Ford upgrade prices for things like diesel.

Just sharing to give an idea on fully optioned rig since posters on FB/Insta are full of comments that these will be way above $300k once you add a some options.

I checked the website and the "Build and Price" section is still not active for the Paragon.

Do you mind sharing the price and optional list please? Also do you know length, height and width, and interior sanding height?

 

[joetimmons]

Paragon to me is now a head to head competitor to the Rossmonster Baja $ 379k.

Would love to see an "every option" paragon + crew cab diesel lariat price vs the Baja.

 

[Chadx]

Paragon to me is now a head to head competitor to the Rossmonster Baja $ 379k.

Would love to see an "every option" paragon + crew cab diesel lariat price vs the Baja.

Take the $265k price I outlined a couple posts up and then add $12k (standard) or $14.5k (HO) for the diesel engine and you have your number.

 

[joetimmons]

Then its 291 ST vs 379 Ross = wow.

 

[Chadx]

Then its 291 ST vs 379 Ross = wow.

I meant to say "or" in the diesel cost post. So with the HO, you are looking at $265 + $14.5 = $279.5k. But your $290k is a reasonable comparison number because you'll spend that $10k or more to add winch, offroad lights, aftermarket bumper, onboard air, etc. to get things included in the Rossmoster Baja Trail price. The Baja price doesn't include Starlink (only Starlink prep) or exterior boxes and seems to be for gas and not diesel. But either way, the roughly $100k spread gives you some good build-out buffer. I thought Rossmonster prices went way up now that they moved to dealership model, though internet search says different. I just know someone that bought one of the last Rossmonster-direct rigs and price was much lower than the dealership prices. But still a great rig especially if hardsided pop-top is high on your list. Keep in mind that $379 of the Baja Trail is the starting price and it goes up from there. One consideration is Rossmonster will do pretty much any custom work you want (all custom work is priced accordingly).

 

[jcmonty]

I was chatting with rossmonster two years ago prior to their dealer route. They were saying $250k was for an out the door "pretty well optioned" Baja Trail rig. It was disappointing when that jumped $100k+

$265K is still pretty good for a rig like this IMO.

 

[jcmonty]

The Paragon won't be ready for the March SoCal expo, unfortunately. It will debut at the May "expo west" in AZ. But if you've not seen STC campers in person, still a good opportunity to get hands on with their other models.

Ah I misread the post where they replied to me on IG. I guess I assumed "West" was Costa Mesa. Silly me lol

 

[Chadx]

A tidbit I didn't mention up in the price estimate further regarding the Stage 2 suspension kit (full Carli pintop and 37" tires) is that also includes the Carli Trophy Hitch spare tire carrier so a 37" tires fits in stock spare location.

I like that a kingsize bed is standard and in "north/south" orientation. 34" of headroom in the cabover and 7' ceiling height. Always a compromise between overall height driving down the road but keeping it spacious inside. Some manufactures prioritize inside space and others prioritize lower overall height.

Here are height and length specs.
Based on their note for height adjustment based on options:
10' 7" with Carli suspension and A/C
10' 4" with Carli and no A/C
10' 3.5" without Carli and with A/C
10' 0.5" without Carli and no A/C
Not sure if this accounts for the extra 1" of height for the 37" tires that is paired with the 3.5" Carli lift because I would think one would subtract 4.5" for stock suspension and 35" tires compared to the 3.5" Carli lift and 37" tires.

 

[RatBoss]

I’ll never forget being broken down in Baja with a Tacoma and camper shell, rainy weather so I’m laying in my truck bed to stay out of the weather, and a Provan Tiger rolls up with a small family playing cards and cooking food on the stove. I was jealous to say the least and have always had eyes on those rigs.

That said, I’m very interested in the Paragon, albeit not in the near future but as our son grows and we feel the limits of our OEV Backcountry which we’ve only had for a year now and was a massive improvement from our canvas tent camping days. In going with the backcountry, I figured we’d be doing more rough road exploring (Baja, Sierras, etc), but with a toddler and being a surf family we’ve found ourselves staying closer to the coast and doing a lot more campground weekend warrior trips. As he grows I would guess we will be venturing further off the beaten path again, but in the meantime I’ve been really thinking a hard side might suit our needs better (family of 3 and a dog). The integrated paragon seems like the ultimate, albeit pricing reflects that compared to say an outpost or even ST Hardside.

My question is what advantages and disadvantages do you guys see to going with integrated? Does the truck handle better having the weight lower? Integrated heating systems seem great. If the truck was a lemon or died could ST remount the camper to another chassis? Do you get killed on resale with an integrated unit vs slide in/flatbed?

Our Backcountry has been great but in 5 years or so I see us needing more space, and have entertained thoughts of doing a flatbed conversion with OEV HBE, or taking the hardside plunge and going to an Outpost or ST, with the Paragon being the ultimate dream rig. Realistically we’d be doing a mix of camping in friends/family driveways, sno park camping in the snow, campgrounds along the cost, and forest roads on public lands for MTB trails and hiking/baja surf camping, but no super gnarly 4wd trails or roads our current stock F350 tremor couldn’t handle.

Been lurking forever and figured I’d finally post as this new rig really gets me excited. Thanks

 

[jaywo]

A tidbit I didn't mention up in the price estimate further regarding the Stage 2 suspension kit (full Carli pintop and 37" tires) is that also includes the Carli Trophy Hitch spare tire carrier so a 37" tires fits in stock spare location.

I like that a kingsize bed is standard and in "north/south" orientation. 34" of headroom in the cabover and 7' ceiling height. Always a compromise between overall height driving down the road but keeping it spacious inside. Some manufactures prioritize inside space and others prioritize lower overall height.

Here are height and length specs.
Based on their note for height adjustment based on options:
10' 7" with Carli suspension and A/C
10' 4" with Carli and no A/C
10' 3.5" without Carli and with A/C
10' 0.5" without Carli and no A/C
Not sure if this accounts for the extra 1" of height for the 37" tires that is paired with the 3.5" Carli lift because I would think one would subtract 4.5" for stock suspension and 35" tires compared to the 3.5" Carli lift and 37" tires.

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Thanks for the dimensions. Do you have any information about the payload fully loaded? Do you mind sharing the price list, or send it via PM?

I’ll never forget being broken down in Baja with a Tacoma and camper shell, rainy weather so I’m laying in my truck bed to stay out of the weather, and a Provan Tiger rolls up with a small family playing cards and cooking food on the stove. I was jealous to say the least and have always had eyes on those rigs.

That said, I’m very interested in the Paragon, albeit not in the near future but as our son grows and we feel the limits of our OEV Backcountry which we’ve only had for a year now and was a massive improvement from our canvas tent camping days. In going with the backcountry, I figured we’d be doing more rough road exploring (Baja, Sierras, etc), but with a toddler and being a surf family we’ve found ourselves staying closer to the coast and doing a lot more campground weekend warrior trips. As he grows I would guess we will be venturing further off the beaten path again, but in the meantime I’ve been really thinking a hard side might suit our needs better (family of 3 and a dog). The integrated paragon seems like the ultimate, albeit pricing reflects that compared to say an outpost or even ST Hardside.

My question is what advantages and disadvantages do you guys see to going with integrated? Does the truck handle better having the weight lower? Integrated heating systems seem great. If the truck was a lemon or died could ST remount the camper to another chassis? Do you get killed on resale with an integrated unit vs slide in/flatbed?

Our Backcountry has been great but in 5 years or so I see us needing more space, and have entertained thoughts of doing a flatbed conversion with OEV HBE, or taking the hardside plunge and going to an Outpost or ST, with the Paragon being the ultimate dream rig. Realistically we’d be doing a mix of camping in friends/family driveways, sno park camping in the snow, campgrounds along the cost, and forest roads on public lands for MTB trails and hiking/baja surf camping, but no super gnarly 4wd trails or roads our current stock F350 tremor couldn’t handle.

Been lurking forever and figured I’d finally post as this new rig really gets me excited. Thanks

Have a toddler as well. We take her to the same very remote off-road spots all over the southwest that we used to do without kids. Current setup is also a pop-up. Recently used a $200K van for a few days and comfort with a baby was incredible. Get a bottle of milk in the fridge while driving, arriving on a Friday night at 11pm at a spot and camp being instant ready, without having to make a step outside in the cold, etc. So much room to lounge, prep food, while toddler plays and for gear (both adult hobby gear and baby gear),
It was a transit though so off-road sucks on 30 inch tires.

A short bed lifted truck on 35s with a pop top is unbeatable offroad while offering decent comfort. Reason I am currently looking at the Paragon and box van, is with future addition of kid 2, and for doing longer trips and potentially full time several months a year. For this we would need more room. Both the Paragon and a box van can work but both have pros and cons, and compromises vs our current rig.
We will be at Outdoor Expo in May spend some time in all of those rigs.

However on your end if you do family driveways, campground, and forest roads why are you not getting a van or box van?

 

[RatBoss]

Thanks for the dimensions. Do you have any information about the payload fully loaded? Do you mind sharing the price list, or send it via PM?



Have a toddler as well. We take her to the same very remote off-road spots all over the southwest that we used to do without kids. Current setup is also a pop-up. Recently used a $200K van for a few days and comfort with a baby was incredible. Get a bottle of milk in the fridge while driving, arriving on a Friday night at 11pm at a spot and camp being instant ready, without having to make a step outside in the cold, etc. So much room to lounge, prep food, while toddler plays and for gear (both adult hobby gear and baby gear),
It was a transit though so off-road sucks on 30 inch tires.

A short bed lifted truck on 35s with a pop top is unbeatable offroad while offering decent comfort. Reason I am currently looking at the Paragon and box van, is with future addition of kid 2, and for doing longer trips and potentially full time several months a year. For this we would need more room. Both the Paragon and a box van can work but both have pros and cons, and compromises vs our current rig.
We will be at Outdoor Expo in May spend some time in all of those rigs.However on your end if you do family driveways, campground, and forest roads why are you not getting a van or box van?

Appreciate the response and good insight.

Re vans: the short answer is I’ve always been a truck person and don’t love the sheer number of sprinter vans out there and the vibe that comes with it.

Long answer:
We are located on the central coast of CA, and access to off grid remote locations is about 4 hrs drive (except for a handful of spots), and that’s about the max drive time we like to do with the young ones patience level, which is evolving by the day. Our interests are primarily surfing, mountain biking, and just being outside. I had a simply built out Tacoma for years, and would do Baja at least once per year for a couple weeks, graduated to a 100 series LC and when I met my wife we used that with a canvas wall tent for years. Once we had our son we did a few tent trips with the tent and it was do-able but a lot of work. We wanted something we could hit the road quickly and easily with (slide in camper), didn’t want to DIY, and wanted a stock truck we could swap campers with down the road and not worry about payload (hence the f350).

We bought the truck and realized it was talll, and after planning to get an outpost pivoted to the OEV Backcountry-figuring loading surfboards on the roof and driving/handling would be much better/easier with the pop top. Driving you can’t even tell the camper is there which is great. But the truth is even our current rig is so tall that it’s tricky for one person to load boards on/off the roof and we tend to try to get them inside the camper, along with bikes in a hitch carrier when the trip calls for it. With under bed storage there isn’t actually a ton of room between the roof and bed for boards to go length wise without crushing them when the top lowers-and the door is narrow and short which makes it tricky getting them loaded as well- but doable. I’m looking into side mounting racks for surfboards-but our concern about being on a tall roof wasn’t really alleviated by the pop top (still tall) and loading boards inside a hard wall strapped to the interior roof might be even easier overall.

Where we like to go in Baja requires 4wd and I’ve seen stuck vans in the past, although some of these burly 4wd ones could probably swing most everything we do.

As our son grows I see us needing a better second sleeping area-our OEV has the fridge delete which makes the convertible dinette bed just under 5’ long-and slide in’s with rear entry doors don’t leave much room for maneuvering around the cook/dog etc. We’d also love a wet bath at some point. Hence looking at what options are out there.

To bring it back full circle-the paragon looks epic and I love the side entrance with rear dinette/couch/bed combo, intergrated bike storage, north south king bed, and stock 4wd. I think the standard option with custom shocks and 35’s (no Carli) would be more than enough vehicle for Baja and the public lands we’d like to explore. I think longboards could go on the exterior roof-but also potentially hang from the interior roof over the bed via l track-or even just toss onto the Cali king mattress for shorter trips. I haven’t taken my slide in off the truck once in the past 6 months-so chassis mount doesn’t bother me too much for that reason (resale/swapping to another truck are more conerning).

Maybe I’m sleeping on vans (haven’t looked into them much), but I love the 4wd stock truck and robustness it provides. Paired with an air compressor and good tires and we’d make it everywhere we’d like to go but not be out of place at a beach campground either.

Hardside campers appeal to me for some of these reasons-and the pass through provides some of the van benefits as well which is what is appealing.

Appreciate the input

 

[joetimmons]

Heres a real world scenario I think allot of potential Paragon/Baja buyers will ask - should I drop ~300-400k on a NEW Paragon/Baja or buy a USED 9-10 year old or so Earthroamer for the same money?

https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2018-Earthroamer-XV-LT+XV-LTS-5038211853#sid=330515

 

[jaywo]

Appreciate the response and good insight.

Re vans: the short answer is I’ve always been a truck person and don’t love the sheer number of sprinter vans out there and the vibe that comes with it.

Long answer:
We are located on the central coast of CA, and access to off grid remote locations is about 4 hrs drive (except for a handful of spots), and that’s about the max drive time we like to do with the young ones patience level, which is evolving by the day. Our interests are primarily surfing, mountain biking, and just being outside. I had a simply built out Tacoma for years, and would do Baja at least once per year for a couple weeks, graduated to a 100 series LC and when I met my wife we used that with a canvas wall tent for years. Once we had our son we did a few tent trips with the tent and it was do-able but a lot of work. We wanted something we could hit the road quickly and easily with (slide in camper), didn’t want to DIY, and wanted a stock truck we could swap campers with down the road and not worry about payload (hence the f350).

We bought the truck and realized it was talll, and after planning to get an outpost pivoted to the OEV Backcountry-figuring loading surfboards on the roof and driving/handling would be much better/easier with the pop top. Driving you can’t even tell the camper is there which is great. But the truth is even our current rig is so tall that it’s tricky for one person to load boards on/off the roof and we tend to try to get them inside the camper, along with bikes in a hitch carrier when the trip calls for it. With under bed storage there isn’t actually a ton of room between the roof and bed for boards to go length wise without crushing them when the top lowers-and the door is narrow and short which makes it tricky getting them loaded as well- but doable. I’m looking into side mounting racks for surfboards-but our concern about being on a tall roof wasn’t really alleviated by the pop top (still tall) and loading boards inside a hard wall strapped to the interior roof might be even easier overall.

Where we like to go in Baja requires 4wd and I’ve seen stuck vans in the past, although some of these burly 4wd ones could probably swing most everything we do.

As our son grows I see us needing a better second sleeping area-our OEV has the fridge delete which makes the convertible dinette bed just under 5’ long-and slide in’s with rear entry doors don’t leave much room for maneuvering around the cook/dog etc. We’d also love a wet bath at some point. Hence looking at what options are out there.

To bring it back full circle-the paragon looks epic and I love the side entrance with rear dinette/couch/bed combo, intergrated bike storage, north south king bed, and stock 4wd. I think the standard option with custom shocks and 35’s (no Carli) would be more than enough vehicle for Baja and the public lands we’d like to explore. I think longboards could go on the exterior roof-but also potentially hang from the interior roof over the bed via l track-or even just toss onto the Cali king mattress for shorter trips. I haven’t taken my slide in off the truck once in the past 6 months-so chassis mount doesn’t bother me too much for that reason (resale/swapping to another truck are more conerning).

Maybe I’m sleeping on vans (haven’t looked into them much), but I love the 4wd stock truck and robustness it provides. Paired with an air compressor and good tires and we’d make it everywhere we’d like to go but not be out of place at a beach campground either.

Hardside campers appeal to me for some of these reasons-and the pass through provides some of the van benefits as well which is what is appealing.

Appreciate the input

When you have a Crew cab, the pass through is behind rear seats. You have to pull the seats down then climb and make your way. It’s ok for emergency scenario (shady people outside need to leave asap), but not great for everyday use unless you have a seat delete (doesn’t work with kids) and even then it’s not like the van.
A van on 33s will do just fine on a beach as long as tire pressure is adequate.

To me, the main pros of the Paragon is going 37 and Carli, creating therefore a difference big enough with a box van (at least sprinter because the new Ford E box van chassis are also on 37s) in some situation including: desert off-roading including short steep slick rock sections where 4L is necessary and where as much ground clearance as possible will help, and where trees are not limiting me. It’s a small ratio of my camp spots (even in the desert trees would be my most limiting factors most of the time), but it’s nice to have. I also like the truck camper vibe and look so I am with you on that one.

Again realistically speaking for your scenario a box van makes a lot of sense. Although the Paragon would also do the job fine and arguably better than your OEV (except for height).

Heres a real world scenario I think allot of potential Paragon/Baja buyers will ask - should I drop ~300-400k on a NEW Paragon/Baja or buy a USED 9-10 year old or so Earthroamer for the same money?

https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2018-Earthroamer-XV-LT+XV-LTS-5038211853#sid=330515

I would choose the Paragon over that 10YO Earthroamer any day of the week. First, paragon is not 300 to 400k? Fully loaded and with diesel and offroad goodies on the chassis it will top out at around 300. This Earthroamer is 375k, that’s a big difference.
Secondly one is new under warranty the other is not and with 40,000 miles. Lastly, what am I gonna do with a 29ft rig? The 24ft of the Paragon is almost too big already.
I hate those rigs with crazy big tires that make too much noise, are impossible to change cause too heavy, etc. Who wants to change a 250lb tire wheel combo? Who wants a 14K lbs rig that you can’t park anywhere? Well many people I guess but not me.
If I had unlimited budget I wouldn’t buy an Earthroamer. I would buy a Truckhouse BCR or an OVP Tahoma E. And I would keep my current rig for short missions as I love my rig. And a Raptor R with a GFC on it, while we are at it.

In the world of Hardside truck campers I see 2 interesting propositions on the market (excluding top of the line luxury option): Outpost for low budget, and Paragon for high budget. Scouts are a terrible in my opinion, OEV is good but I prefer Supertramp offering including the pop up option.

For me at least it’s not a question of Paragon VS another truck camper in the same price range (until outpost comes with something comparable or at least their 8ft version with bath and king bed). It’s a question of hard side truck camper and box van (sprinter or ford E). I used a top of the line van and was blown away by the van living space. I would need to spend a few days in a top of the line hardside truck camper to really compare, but having a truck camper myself it’s easier now for me to visualize the pros and cons.
There is no one perfect rig for every use. Be realistic with ourselves and write down our exact needs and use then buy what matches that more closely is probably the best approach. Problem is most people don’t know what their use is either because they are new to overlanding, or because they expect their need to evolve (kids on the way..) or because they confuse actual use with what they dream of doing.

 

[jaywo]

Got to see pricing thanks to Chad. My minimum acceptable configuration, staying on XLT trim is $250K, and my ideal one is $282K. Fully loaded with all goodies including offroad lights, high output diesel, crew cab, lariat trim, etc you are at $315K. My $282k configuration is well loaded but uses smart savings (I am not paying 7K for a few lights I can install myself…) combined with no Diesel.
Hopefully this gives people a good range idea. It’s higher than I wish, but compared to a Tahoma S you stand at 60K less with a slightly better chassis conf and slightly worst systems for the Paragon. Then comes the box vs truck choice.
Using the budget price at 250K, you are 50K over a Verus, with similar systems with the main advantage being 35" over 33" tires and the low range + diff lock.

In summary, the Paragon is a good in between sitting under a Baja or Tahoma E in price, and above vans and Verus box van in price. I think it will sell well. It would have killed the market if my 250K configuration was 200-220K, and significantly impact the van (even non box van) market. A well equipped sprinter being 200K.

Some questions come to mind:

- wet bath is 6’3", which is my biggest disappointment in the option list, as I am much taller than this and is one of the reason I look at integrated campers and box van because headroom is so good. With a 7ft interior height maybe Supertramp can do something about it?
- solar: it’s a shame there is not an option for more roof solar (replacing skylight ..).
- outdoor shower attaches to garage door. This seems low. What height would the garage door limit? Most outdoor shower setups don’t have a height limiting factor
- external box and molle panel. What’s the load capacity of the molle? Is the $2500 box secured to the molle panel or directly to the truck, in other words can I buy the molle and add the box to it later?
- outdoor kitchen: unclear how it looks and what it provides. Is it using storage from the garage, if not from where? It’s too bad it uses propane and a 1lbs tank at it. Why not induction? Supertramp needs to address this as many people won’t be into propane in a rig this pricey.
- paint color Avalanche ($2500) and metallic ($6500): do those include painting both the truck and the camper? Asking because it’s listed as truck option
- what does suspension stage 1 includes? It says custom shocks. What shocks? Is it OEM leaf pack, or custom one such as Alcan? Are 35" standard? On which wheels?
Asking because Carli / 37 package is a $20K option so staying on 35" with decent suspension could offer decent savings
- good point is they offer 1 seat, seat delete, or 2 seat option with pass through. when selecting 2 seats + pass through, how does it look? Are those standard full size rear seats? If yes isn’t the pass through super tiny in this case? This is a massive point because camper access is one of the big van/truck compromise thing.


Of course, those are questions for Supertramp I’ll ask later. I am just listing them here, in case Chad knows the answer and for other to see the answers if interested.