Surprised no one is discussing the Cybertruck today.

[plainjaneFJC]

If you don’t think that Chinese auto makers, German Auto makers, Korean Auto Makers don’t get GOV support, funding, (Chinese espionage support) your living in a bubble of non reality.

Commercial aircraft really come to mind as well- Look at Airbus- they are so heavily subsidized it puts Boeing at a disadvantage.

 

[rruff]

I don't prescribe to the thought process in which Americans are only allowed a specific number of freedoms and have to pick and choose, that's nonsense!

I meant that you would have to pick some specific freedoms in this country that you really care about, in preference to the freedoms that exist in other countries that you care less about.

It's the only way the US is going to come out on top. For you. Not for people in general.

 

[rruff]

Look at our amendments- no one else has the first two

Nobody has freedom of religion?

And the gun thing... that one costs us, too...

 

[NevadaLover]

I meant that you would have to pick some specific freedoms in this country that you really care about, in preference to the freedoms that exist in other countries that you care less about.

It's the only way the US is going to come out on top. For you. Not for people in general.

It's not that I could care less about other countries, I live in and pay taxes in America, therefore America is my main focus in life about everyday freedoms.

Nobody has freedom of religion?

And the gun thing... that one costs us, too...

And I'm definitely not going down the rabbithole of American constitutional freedoms, especially with someone who so derisively bemoans their 2nd amendment right.

 

[plainjaneFJC]

Nobody has freedom of religion?

And the gun thing... that one costs us, too...

It cost me money in guns and ammo…😆

 

[calicamper]

In many cases the increasing size has outpaced efficiency. The new Ranger gets almost identical mpg and CO2 grams per mile as a 15 year old Ranger.

I found this out looking at EPA data. In the Rangers case it’s a stark example because it’s essentially the same 2.3. The truck now is bigger but it took a twin stage turbo, a ten speed transmission and a whole lot more attention to aero to get nowhere. No, that’s not true, we also get a smaller bed and safety stuff…

One example of a trend across the entire auto market available to Americans. Of course hybridization is the only bright side of combustion and the rate of adoption by US manufacturers has been abysmal. We got the Honda Insight in 1999, there is no reason why every vehicle could not have a real hybrid options by now. Not the BS mild hybrid crap, the real stuff like Nissans e-power or even GMs Voltec or Fords Energi. Parts bin adaptations.

If vehicle size had stayed the same and hybridization was universal we’d be in tremendously better shape with emissions. We didn’t do the work and now we need to scramble to electrification because we’ve ran out of time. It’s never really been a technology problem, still isn’t.

My daughter was looking at old photos the other day. She stumbled onto one with me and my 89 Standard cab short bed 2.9L v6 Ranger. I bought it at 98,000 paid $4000 for it. Sold it at 198,000 for $3200. Typical mileage was 16-17mpg in town and 19-20mpg highway. My 8 passenger, 400hp, 9200lb max Expedition typically does 17-18 around town and 21-23mpg highway.

I’d say there’s been big progress made over the yrs.

 

[life_w_vagabonds]

My daughter was looking at old photos the other day. She stumbled onto one with me and my 89 Standard cab short bed 2.9L v6 Ranger. I bought it at 98,000 paid $4000 for it. Sold it at 198,000 for $3200. Typical mileage was 16-17mpg in town and 19-20mpg highway. My 8 passenger, 400hp, 9200lb max Expedition typically does 17-18 around town and 21-23mpg highway.

I’d say there’s been big progress made over the yrs.

I was just comparing EPA numbers on the 2.3. I had a 2.9 Ranger as well and preferred the 2.3, an ‘85 maybe? My current Ranger (I’ve had 3) does get better than EPA, without the camper of course.

 

[rruff]

It's not that I could care less about other countries, I live in and pay taxes in America, therefore America is my main focus in life about everyday freedoms.

You claimed US citizens have "much more freedom than people in other countries". Making such a statement is pretty silly unless you have focused on other countries.

And I'm definitely not going down the rabbithole of American constitutional freedoms, especially with someone who so derisively bemoans their 2nd amendment right.

I didn't "derisively bemoan" it.

But I do wonder if you understand the costs involved (and not just guns and ammo!), and why other countries have voted to have much less "freedom" when it comes to owning and carrying lethal weapons.

 

[NevadaLover]

You claimed US citizens have "much more freedom than people in other countries". Making such a statement is pretty silly unless you have focused on other countries.


I didn't "derisively bemoan" it.

But I do wonder if you understand the costs involved (and not just guns and ammo!), and why other countries have voted to have much less "freedom" when it comes to owning and carrying lethal weapons.

Okay so the use of "much more" freedom was incorrect, sue me.

And yes, you did derisively bemoan the right we have as Americans to firearms, as in "the gun thing"..... and I don't give one care why other countries gave up their right, we have it and that's all that matters.

Blaming an inanimate object is assinine and it's on you, not me.

 

[life_w_vagabonds]

You claimed US citizens have "much more freedom than people in other countries". Making such a statement is pretty silly unless you have focused on other countries.


I didn't "derisively bemoan" it.

But I do wonder if you understand the costs involved (and not just guns and ammo!), and why other countries have voted to have much less "freedom" when it comes to owning and carrying lethal weapons.

The generations that lived through school shootings and active shooter drills tend to have a different perspective as well.

 

[rruff]

And yes, you did derisively bemoan the right we have as Americans to firearms, as in "the gun thing"..... and I don't give one care why other countries gave up their right, we have it and that's all that matters. Blaming an inanimate object is assinine and it's on you, not me.

Sounds like religious fervor. Hard to have a rational discussion...

The generations that lived through school shootings and active shooter drills tend to have a different perspective as well.

Jim Jefferies has a good skit about the 2nd amendment too... highly recommended. Actually I guess it's the same one... ? Ok 26:15 into the Bare video on BiliBili.

 

[LRNAD90]

This whole thread makes me 🤢

 

[AbleGuy]

Ford truck having to pull stuck CT out of some snow in California mountains. I’ll leave you to your own conclusions…

Matt Chambers on Instagram: "@teslamotors Cyber Truck getting recovered after sliding off trail at Corral Hollow ohv. No clue why he was so far off trail. 🤷‍♂️ Info I received with the videos: RC version with Traction control issues due to software

mchambers_22 on December 11, 2023: "@teslamotors Cyber Truck getting recovered after sliding off trail at Corral Hollow ohv. No clue why he was so far off trail. 🤷‍♂️ Info I received with the videos: RC version with Traction control issues due to software problems, not aired down, no pickup...

www.instagram.com

 

[NevadaLover]

Ford truck having to pull stuck CT out of some snow in California mountains. I’ll leave you to your own conclusions…

Matt Chambers on Instagram: "@teslamotors Cyber Truck getting recovered after sliding off trail at Corral Hollow ohv. No clue why he was so far off trail. 🤷‍♂️ Info I received with the videos: RC version with Traction control issues due to software

mchambers_22 on December 11, 2023: "@teslamotors Cyber Truck getting recovered after sliding off trail at Corral Hollow ohv. No clue why he was so far off trail. 🤷‍♂️ Info I received with the videos: RC version with Traction control issues due to software problems, not aired down, no pickup...

www.instagram.com

I saw that earlier, video isn't too good but tires on the CT look suspect for the conditions, poor judgment on the drivers part I'm betting.

 

[calicamper]

Ford truck having to pull stuck CT out of some snow in California mountains. I’ll leave you to your own conclusions…

Matt Chambers on Instagram: "@teslamotors Cyber Truck getting recovered after sliding off trail at Corral Hollow ohv. No clue why he was so far off trail. 🤷‍♂️ Info I received with the videos: RC version with Traction control issues due to software

mchambers_22 on December 11, 2023: "@teslamotors Cyber Truck getting recovered after sliding off trail at Corral Hollow ohv. No clue why he was so far off trail. 🤷‍♂️ Info I received with the videos: RC version with Traction control issues due to software problems, not aired down, no pickup...

www.instagram.com

Yeah that one was all over the interwebs. Apparently the forestry dept wasn’t to happy with this guy. Looks pretty damn heavy don’t it. Tires are probably 40psi too.