Swing-out tire carrier buildup!!

elcoyote

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My vote puts the tire to the right side of the bumper for 3 reasons:

1- When you get a flat you pull off the road, the tire will be accessible from the passenger side, not the traffic side which would present a higher risk of getting hit by vehicle.
2- I have seen many a time when a trailer hitch and spare tire interfere with each other, putting it off to the side minimizes that problem.
3- I agree with keeping the stress closer to the hinge to minimize the fulcrum effect on the spindle and welds.

Nice looking set up, thanks for sharing your fabrication journey with us! Looking forward to the pictures of it covered in dirt:D
 

Willman

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calamaridog said:
This information may not apply directly to your build but I like to post it for general information...

Error on the side of caution and have a failsafe design. Loosing the tire carrier on the fwy could easily result in GBI or death for someone behind you.


Rear tire carrier design FAQ
Originally posted by Tankota (TTORA)

"That's the same exact type used on my old one. They are using mini axle spindles, kind of like you would use on a small trailer. They are plenty strong as is, but the weak point is where it's mounted to the bumper. The stub is usually hardened, and when they weld it to the bumper it weakens them at the base. Then the light rocking back and forth of the tire on the gate over time causes fine fatigue cracks at the base, and eventually it goes all the way through the spindle. It all depends on how well they are controlling the bouncing of the gate, and how good their welding is. If you are driving down the road and you can see the tire moving front to back at all, then it's flexing at the base, and over time will cause the metal there to weaken and fail. Kind of like bending a paper clip back and forth. The more the movement, the faster it will break.

Some of the Jeep bumpers have a latch higher up, and this works well to control the movement. If you look at some designs, all the weight is hanging off the gate at an offset (tire), and the mounting points are all below the gate at the base, with nothing to stop movement at the top.

This is the reason when I built my new rear bumper I used 2 hinges, and 2 latches. It's not as low profile and clean as those types, but it stops the movement, even while off-road. Plus it's almost impossible to have both both hinges and both latches fail at the same time. Mine's way overbuilt, I sat there making sure almost everything had at least 2 attachment points. That way if I start to have any problems I can catch it before hand.
Now there are plenty of bumper built that way that never have this problem. I'm sure that's a very nice high quality bumper, and I have no knowledge of any from that company having problems. But I have heard of at least 6-7 built with that type of hinge that have failed, in addition to mine, and that's just from 1-2 message boards so who knows how many have had problems that never made it onto those 1-2 message boards. This problem is very hard to detect ahead of time, you have to remove the entire gate and bearings and examine the base of the spindle where it's welded to the bumper and look for hairline cracks. This type of failure could take months, years, or never. Mine was about 2-3 years old when it failed."

Thanks for the infor!!!! I am planning a second safety latch that will behind the bumper just incase some thing goes wrong...I'm going to have to check in on how or if the steel of the hinge is hardened or not...Again..thanks for the great infor.!!!
 

Willman

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goodtimes said:
I would put it as close to the hinge as possible, and as far to the drivers side as possible. This will keep the leverage on the hinge down, and let you use your rear view window.....of course, that also means that it swings from the drivers side. Not sure why everyone builds them to swing from the passenger side (like you did....and I did the first time I built one....)

Thanks guys for all the input!!!!

It's still not to late to change sides for the tire gate!!! I have not welded the pin in yet...I can plug those holes and drill a new one on the other side pretty easy!!!! Good point on the rear view mirror thing!!!

elcoyote also had a really good reason for the tire carrier being on the left side for not getting hit by another driver.....

I'm going to have to think about this one!!!!! :coffee:
 

goodtimes

Expedition Poseur
elcoyote does make a good point about having it swing from the passenger side...it will swing away from traffic if you are pulled off to the side of the road. Upon further consideration, I would definately keep it where it is...swinging into traffic is just not good.
 

Willman

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It might be hard to look over my shoulder being on the right side....but if it keeps me out of harms way, i will deal with it!!!!!

Thanks for all the input!!!!!!! :clapsmile
 

goodtimes

Expedition Poseur
Can you move the tire lower on the carrier? (IE: closer to the ground)

At some point it becomes problematic on the trail (tire hanging up on ledges as you drop over them), but how much so will depend on the kinds of trails you travel on. I would put it as low as possible to allow the best visibility, until it is so low that it starts to become a problem on the trail. A good set of mirrors will become your friend with a tire mounted up high like that.
 

Willman

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goodtimes said:
Can you move the tire lower on the carrier? (IE: closer to the ground)

At some point it becomes problematic on the trail (tire hanging up on ledges as you drop over them), but how much so will depend on the kinds of trails you travel on. I would put it as low as possible to allow the best visibility, until it is so low that it starts to become a problem on the trail. A good set of mirrors will become your friend with a tire mounted up high like that.

Thanks for the info!!

I'm going to put it as low as poss. w/out causing it to drag on things..I can't put it to low anyway..it would block the plans for my shackles! That is coming soon!!!
 

Willman

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flyingwil said:
You done with thing yet? Or still looking for input?

No...I'm ending the road of input.......Thanks for asking.....Now i just need time to put the rest together!!! I have decided to keep the tire to the right side and put it low as i can get it. I work fulltime and go to school fulltime..alot of my time is in my books!!! :coffee: There will be some updates coming soon with pictures....Thanks!!
 

flyingwil

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I threw in some comments on TTORA voting for the right side to counteract the weight of the fuel and battery, also the stress points as also point on on this forum.

While you still have it as is, you might think of adding a coupler similar to a trailer hitch that you fabbed up to mount to swing gate. Then make a bracket (Receiver) for Jerry cans and another bracket for ammo cans... I know you mentioned debating those two, so that way it would be versatile and you have the option of both. Make it an adapter similar to the trailer hitch adapters then it becomes more universal. If you go this route you would want a cover, and plugs, or drainage holes for water.
 

Willman

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flyingwil said:
I threw in some comments on TTORA voting for the right side to counteract the weight of the fuel and battery, also the stress points as also point on on this forum.

While you still have it as is, you might think of adding a coupler similar to a trailer hitch that you fabbed up to mount to swing gate. Then make a bracket (Receiver) for Jerry cans and another bracket for ammo cans... I know you mentioned debating those two, so that way it would be versatile and you have the option of both. Make it an adapter similar to the trailer hitch adapters then it becomes more universal. If you go this route you would want a cover, and plugs, or drainage holes for water.

I agree totally!.......Great idea on the jerry cans/ammo box thing!!! Thanks...I will have too think about that one!!!
 

Willman

Active member
Pin installed

Here is the pin installation of the hinge. I assemble the hinge on the swing-out gate arm/pin and all. I took a piece of fire banket to protect the upper part of the pin..... Placed it in the hole and ticked it on the bottom. Then removed the swing-out arm and ticked the top.....Then i double checked it...making sure i was still plum.......Then welded it all up.......

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All welded up and ready to cut the end off and grind the bottom.

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Boy.......this is a nice setup for a hinge!!! It swings like butter!!!! The only thing i might do is add another gussit to the bottom of the hinge where the arm meets.

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Willman

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OldSven said:
So is this thing going to be done by summer:shakin:

Its like the little train that could!!!! Having a schedule like mine doesn't help at all!!!!!! Sorry for the SLOW buildup.......but that why i called it a buildup!!!!..................lol

Back at U.......:shakin:
 

OldSven

Explorer
So getting off of work at noon doesn't help to much does it:xxrotflma How does an I-90 night run sound this weekend?
 

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